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B00sted 05-20-2011 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 996445)
hey what about those of us that were hired when 9e was still Express Airlines I? Don't leave us out of this fight, show us some love! DOH for anyone hired prior to the purchase of Colgan, then relative for those hired after? like you said everyone who came after the purchase knew the poopstorm that was over the horizon.....
and no this is not my official stance just food for thought so save the hate mail please...(everyone exept FlyJSH)

So I was flying with this one Captain, and he told me this story about how his FO was flying. And all of the sudden they seen some birds, and the FO was like OMG we just hit that bird, the pitot tube caught its nut sack. He claims they hit a bird in the nut sack. Possible?

Was it you sir?

Jamers 05-20-2011 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 996451)
So I was flying with this one Captain, and he told me this story about how his FO was flying. And all of the sudden they seen some birds, and the FO was like OMG we just hit that bird, the pitot tube caught its nut sack. He claims they hit a bird in the nut sack. Possible?

Was it you sir?

Starting the party early. Good form sir.

FlyJSH 05-20-2011 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 996445)
hey what about those of us that were hired when 9e was still Express Airlines I? Don't leave us out of this fight, show us some love! DOH for anyone hired prior to the purchase of Colgan, then relative for those hired after? like you said everyone who came after the purchase knew the poopstorm that was over the horizon.....
and no this is not my official stance just food for thought so save the hate mail please...(everyone exept FlyJSH)

Sorry, didn't mean to leave you out.


I don't claim to know what is fair, but I can smell unfair a mile a way.... and the Pinnacle plan STUNK!

higney85 05-20-2011 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 996484)
Sorry, didn't mean to leave you out.


I don't claim to know what is fair, but I can smell unfair a mile a way.... and the Pinnacle plan STUNK!

And plenty think the 9L plan stinks, and the XJ plan stinks. It's all in viewpoints.

Mesabah 05-20-2011 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 996488)
And plenty think the 9L plan stinks, and the XJ plan stinks. It's all in viewpoints.

Haha, the 9E plan even put me below most pinnacle FO's and I'm a 900 Captain. We all operate similar equipment, on similar routes, and at similar rates of pay. When that's the case DOH is the only fair way to go. Any other methods are seeking a leg up for some unjustifiable reasons.

cleared2land 05-20-2011 06:56 PM

I hate to even say it (again) but seems like if XJ wasn't taken over; 9E and 9L would still be groveling for a contract. 9L would still be contracts away from one of the quality that they have now on contract #1. Who knows when 9E would have ever gotten another TA to even vote on. So, XJ loses the flow and it's upcoming negotiations. They already got hosed. The SLI will most likely be another kick in the junk. But we'll see.

mooney 05-20-2011 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 996451)
So I was flying with this one Captain, and he told me this story about how his FO was flying. And all of the sudden they seen some birds, and the FO was like OMG we just hit that bird, the pitot tube caught its nut sack. He claims they hit a bird in the nut sack. Possible?

Was it you sir?

Wasn't me. I don't let my FO's fly :D
but no I don't think its possible. Up the sphincter, maybe. But not the sack...

i have had a few beers, but whats that story got to do with anything??

gonyon 05-20-2011 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 996451)
So I was flying with this one Captain, and he told me this story about how his FO was flying. And all of the sudden they seen some birds, and the FO was like OMG we just hit that bird, the pitot tube caught its nut sack. He claims they hit a bird in the nut sack. Possible?

Was it you sir?

Possible if you hit a Gonyon bird. huge sacks on those things!:D

FlyJSH 05-20-2011 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 996546)
Haha, the 9E plan even put me below most pinnacle FO's and I'm a 900 Captain. We all operate similar equipment, on similar routes, and at similar rates of pay. When that's the case DOH is the only fair way to go. Any other methods are seeking a leg up for some unjustifiable reasons.

If the integration was straight DOH, straight relative, or Pinnacle's creation, I am forced to admit DOH would be the least distasteful and more approximated fair and equitable.

In short, at first glance, Mesaba's proposal was the best rapid fire solution.

In the end, I think a blending of DOH (post 05/06 ish folks) and relative (for the pre 05/06 ish folks) would be more equitable. (Take that for what it is worth)

(for the record, I would fall into the DOH range of my plan)

ShyGuy 05-21-2011 05:24 AM


In fact Mesaba turboprop FO's were making more than Pinnacle JET FO's prior to the JCBA. In fact they still make more in some cases under the grandfathered rates.
I've heard this over and over again, and it's a useless statement. Guess how much XJ pilots will make on the Saab when a Saab is parked in the desert? $00.00/hr. And all but 7 Saabs are headed that way! By the end of next year, there will not be a single Saab in Delta colors under Mesaba or Colgan.


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