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Old 05-22-2011 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jheath
This is obviously until the next batch of orders. 757 orders that is. Don't think I forgot about that promise.

hahahhaha thomas cook type action huh?
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Old 05-22-2011 | 06:03 AM
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Last class is all saab, and I was told next 2 to 3 class will also be all saab
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Old 05-22-2011 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakeb
Last class is all saab, and I was told next 2 to 3 class will also be all saab
How many Saabs and Q's are in ya'll's fleet?
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Old 05-22-2011 | 12:49 PM
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34 Saabs and 28 Q's according to APC with a few more to go, I believe. Thats just the Colgan certificate, not sure what Mesaba brings to the table with the merger but their Saabs on the Delta side are going away, unfortunately.
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Old 05-22-2011 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lone Palm
I don't like them but we have been doing two leg highspeeds at Mesaba for years in the crazy weather winter brings to the north.
Just because Mesaba has been doing them for years does not mean they are safe. Every airline has a perfect safety record before their first accident/incident. This is not in reference to Mesaba but the fact that something can go routine 364 days a year but it only takes 1 bad night.

The fact that we have pilots flying 4 CDO's in a row, on the back side of the clock, in the worst weather in the country, while doing 2 legs each way into small EAS airports is not in the utmost interest of safety under any airline or situation.
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Old 05-22-2011 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Just because Mesaba has been doing them for years does not mean they are safe. Every airline has a perfect safety record before their first accident/incident. This is not in reference to Mesaba but the fact that something can go routine 364 days a year but it only takes 1 bad night.

The fact that we have pilots flying 4 CDO's in a row, on the back side of the clock, in the worst weather in the country, while doing 2 legs each way into small EAS airports is not in the utmost interest of safety under any airline or situation.

I didn't say they were safe, I agree with you that they should go away.
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Old 05-22-2011 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lone Palm
I didn't say they were safe, I agree with you that they should go away.
No, they shouldn't go away. If you don't like them, don't bid them. Leave them alone for those of us who like them.
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Old 05-22-2011 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
No, they shouldn't go away. If you don't like them, don't bid them. Leave them alone for those of us who like them.

Thanks for the tip, will do...
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Old 05-22-2011 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lone Palm
I didn't say they were safe, I agree with you that they should go away.
No, they shouldn't go away. If you don't like them, don't bid them. Leave them alone for those of us who like them.
Well, I would like to fly 15 hours a day so that I could work 7 days a month; doesn't mean it is the best idea in the interest of safety.

Plus, many people who fly CDOs don't fly it because they like them but because it is all their seniority can hold.

Just my .02
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Old 05-22-2011 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Just because Mesaba has been doing them for years does not mean they are safe. Every airline has a perfect safety record before their first accident/incident. This is not in reference to Mesaba but the fact that something can go routine 364 days a year but it only takes 1 bad night.

The fact that we have pilots flying 4 CDO's in a row, on the back side of the clock, in the worst weather in the country, while doing 2 legs each way into small EAS airports is not in the utmost interest of safety under any airline or situation.
They are perfectly safe as long as you sleep correctly. Do you know how many 135 freight pilots fly this exact schedule every night?

You cant blame the schedule when pilots bid CDO's and then decide not to get enough rest during the day when they are off. If you bid the schedule you should adjust, get your rest when you are supposed to be resting and do not count on getting it in the hotel on your layover.
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