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09-11-2006, 01:26 PM
#12
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the point is that if you want to work for a scab airline just to get quick upgrade time,then you're a tool that doesn't care how the rest of the industry is affected by noob pilots all hot up for a jet, and willing to fly 70-90 pax jets for 1 dollar more an hour at block or worse compared to what a 50 seat flyer gets at block or better...
09-11-2006, 03:36 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: SKYW CRJ FO
Posts: 467
Go fly 200 hours and get on with a respected regional and do yourself and EVERY OTHER PILOT IN THE INDUSTRY A FAVOR AND DON'T SELL OUT. Good luck and tell your friends not to sell out either. You'll see what I mean in a year.
09-11-2006, 07:53 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by sgrd0q
I am no fan of Mesa, but 3 to 5 (or 7!) years as a FO in a "good regional" (whatever your definition of a "good regional" might be) may not be preferable for some people.
Also, my seniority was moving about 5-8 numbers a month (yes five) out of 1900 pilots...that accounts for a retirements, motorcycle accidents, and military recalls...and one maybe two pilots PER MONTH getting hired at the majors! That is a very, very bad number...those who upgrade now will be on reserve for life, if they don't get flushed back to FO when the layoffs start.
Last edited by rickair7777; 09-11-2006 at 07:58 PM.
09-11-2006, 09:21 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,966
Originally Posted by 01WJ
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Regarding how I got 800TT w/o instructing, to be honest w/ you I'm not completely sure. I have been flying since I was about 10 years old (taking dual w/ an instructor until I got my student license), so a few hours added up there, but I think the majority of it has been recently working on ratings (Instrument - CFI, CFII, MEI, etc...) and taking trips out to California, Oregon, Minnesota, etc...
Regarding how I got 800TT w/o instructing, to be honest w/ you I'm not completely sure. I have been flying since I was about 10 years old (taking dual w/ an instructor until I got my student license), so a few hours added up there, but I think the majority of it has been recently working on ratings (Instrument - CFI, CFII, MEI, etc...) and taking trips out to California, Oregon, Minnesota, etc...
PS
I was in the same boat and always had more time than my peers because I had gotten my private 2 years before going to UND and then spent about 100 hours tooling around with friends and family. So when most guys were starting with 0 time or 40 hours and a PPL, I showed up with about 175 hours. Raised some eyebrows when I came around looking for a CFI job but since it was properly logged and I could talk about it in detail there was never a problem.
Last edited by freezingflyboy; 09-11-2006 at 09:25 PM.
09-12-2006, 04:11 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 222
Originally Posted by rickair7777
You obviously haven't experienced mesa...I walked out of a mesa upgrade class (and years of seniority) to start over elsewhere. That's how bad it is. Besides, I saw enough of mesa's operational catastrophes this summer to conclude that they are probably going to get fired by one or more of their partners asap...you think being a 5 year FO is bad, TRY BEING A 5 YEAR FO AT F&%KING MESA!!!
Also, my seniority was moving about 5-8 numbers a month (yes five) out of 1900 pilots...that accounts for a retirements, motorcycle accidents, and military recalls...and one maybe two pilots PER MONTH getting hired at the majors! That is a very, very bad number...those who upgrade now will be on reserve for life, if they don't get flushed back to FO when the layoffs start.
Also, my seniority was moving about 5-8 numbers a month (yes five) out of 1900 pilots...that accounts for a retirements, motorcycle accidents, and military recalls...and one maybe two pilots PER MONTH getting hired at the majors! That is a very, very bad number...those who upgrade now will be on reserve for life, if they don't get flushed back to FO when the layoffs start.
Rick, I am really sorry you had to quit and start all over. I had no idea things were so bad at Mesa. By your posts and insight into the industry I always assumed you were a captain. Sorry you had to leave just before upgrade. Best of luck with your new job. I've found that most changes (whether professional or personal) end up being worth it in the long run. Complacency is what drags us on. Good Luck!
09-12-2006, 04:12 AM
#19
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Posts: 222
Originally Posted by smoke
the point is that if you want to work for a scab airline just to get quick upgrade time,then you're a tool that doesn't care how the rest of the industry is affected by noob pilots all hot up for a jet, and willing to fly 70-90 pax jets for 1 dollar more an hour at block or worse compared to what a 50 seat flyer gets at block or better...
Last edited by sgrd0q; 09-12-2006 at 04:16 AM.
09-12-2006, 08:45 PM
#20
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Posts: 33
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
You better be sure before you show up for a job interview. One of the reasons you might be having trouble getting job offers is because the amount of time you have smells fishy to some folks. Better make sure you can explain it or the airlines will show you the door faster than the flight schools.
PS
I was in the same boat and always had more time than my peers because I had gotten my private 2 years before going to UND and then spent about 100 hours tooling around with friends and family. So when most guys were starting with 0 time or 40 hours and a PPL, I showed up with about 175 hours. Raised some eyebrows when I came around looking for a CFI job but since it was properly logged and I could talk about it in detail there was never a problem.
PS
I was in the same boat and always had more time than my peers because I had gotten my private 2 years before going to UND and then spent about 100 hours tooling around with friends and family. So when most guys were starting with 0 time or 40 hours and a PPL, I showed up with about 175 hours. Raised some eyebrows when I came around looking for a CFI job but since it was properly logged and I could talk about it in detail there was never a problem.
Incidently, I didn't have any problem really finding a CFI job, I actually did get an offer from Pan Am but kind of put it on hold.
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