Coto Pilot

I think all of the majors are giving all of the pilots a complete type ride including proceedures in the left seat in the Sim, I know that is how it was at United for my rides in the 767 and the A320.

Boomer

At Comair we have a lot of PIC typed former captains in the right seat these days.

Something like half of them.

Duksrule

Am I missing something? Why is having 1001.6 hours PIC odd? If it is a joke that went way over my head, sorry.

NE_Pilot

I would say; log the time the way the FAA wants it to be logged and then adjust the times on the application for the way the employer wants. I wouldn't refrain from logging rotorcraft time as part of my total time because Southwest does not count it towards their total time, I would simply subtract rotorcraft time on the application. I highly doubt that anyone would show you the door because of this, you are putting less time than the time you legally have.

Companies specify what they want when they ask for times because you can and are suppose to log time the way the FAA says to.

Coto Pilot

Exactly NE!

rickair7777

They sure as hell would show you the door if you did not meet their TPIC mins without falling back on sole-manipulator PIC.

That's the whole reason this topic pops up about every other year...somebody reads the regs in detail and starts thinking maybe they can get on at SWA or FDX with just regional FO time.

NE_Pilot

Maybe I wasn't clear in what I wrote, but if you adjust what you logged in your logbook (the way the FAA says to) to the time they want in the application (carrier specific), then you wouldn't have an issue.

For example, Southwest wants 2,500 total time. I have 4,000 hours but 1,000 of that is rotorcraft. My logbook would reflect a total time of 4,000 hours, however since Southwest specifically excludes rotocraft time in that flight time minimum my application would reflect 3,000 hours total time. My logbook, however, would still reflect the 4,000 hours total time, since Southwest does not dictate the legal definition of flight time. They also do not dictate the legal definition of PIC time, all they can do is specify what time THEY are specifically looking for, hence why they can say they do not count rotorcraft time for their total time and want a very specific definition of PIC time.

Just because SOME companies only count PIC time as the time when you are designated as the Final Authority, does not mean you should not log PIC when you are legally able to (i.e. dictated by the FARs and letters of interpretation). All it means is that when you fill out the application you need to put down the time they specifically ask for.

Further, if you logged PIC time strictly as the airlines want, I am willing to bet a fair amount of airline pilots out there now would not qualify for their ratings at the time they got them (i.e. logging PIC while receiving instruction for an instrument or commercial certificate).

I hope this clears things up a bit. Log what is legal for you to log and put on the application what that specific company asks for, thats why they specify it when it differs from what one can legally log.