TSA has a TA
07-12-2011, 05:59 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by 1257
From ALPA;
"TSA pilots have been among the lowest-paid in the industry and this new deal
will bring them closer to the industry standard with an average 11.7 percent increase
in captain’s pay and an average 14.5 percent increase in first officer’s pay."
So 11.7% for Capt's. and 14.5% for F/O's?
Weren't you guys near the bottom to start with for a 5 year negotiation
so that's basically an inflation adjustment to the bottom?
Surely the work rules are relevant also, but it pains to see
regional guys seem to get excited about inflationary increases to bottom pay.
Obviously you guys know every new contract agreement affects every other airline negotiation.
Do you want to be there for the duration of your careers?
Do you want your next company to site your low wages to justify lowering their's?
Just saying, we don't all work in an insulated vacuum from each other.
Wish you all the best, but imho this pay rate is far from it.
"TSA pilots have been among the lowest-paid in the industry and this new deal
will bring them closer to the industry standard with an average 11.7 percent increase
in captain’s pay and an average 14.5 percent increase in first officer’s pay."
So 11.7% for Capt's. and 14.5% for F/O's?
Weren't you guys near the bottom to start with for a 5 year negotiation
so that's basically an inflation adjustment to the bottom?
Surely the work rules are relevant also, but it pains to see
regional guys seem to get excited about inflationary increases to bottom pay.
Obviously you guys know every new contract agreement affects every other airline negotiation.
Do you want to be there for the duration of your careers?
Do you want your next company to site your low wages to justify lowering their's?
Just saying, we don't all work in an insulated vacuum from each other.
Wish you all the best, but imho this pay rate is far from it.
whats your point guy?? Are you looking for an apology?? Quit p!ssin on our parade.
07-12-2011, 06:23 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
Is this a poem? it doesn't rhyme.
Seriously tho, you obviously don't know anything about TSA and our management. Good luck trying to get anything above industry standard. I'm not really holding my breath over this TA either but at least it looks like our pay will be average.
Seriously tho, you obviously don't know anything about TSA and our management. Good luck trying to get anything above industry standard. I'm not really holding my breath over this TA either but at least it looks like our pay will be average.
07-12-2011, 06:43 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by Shrek
If it is not acceptable......vote NO - clear and simple.
Look at what they told UAL to vote for during their bankruptcy,
it single handedly lowered the bar in the whole industry. (but ALPA kept getting dues)
Know it's a little scary and difficult to do, but you're helping yourselves
and every other pilot in the industry by standing up for what you think is right.
07-12-2011, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
Congrats TSA!!!
If Pinnacle can get a contract, you guys should have nooooo problem.
If Pinnacle can get a contract, you guys should have nooooo problem.
Last edited by johnso29; 07-13-2011 at 06:21 AM.
07-12-2011, 07:00 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
Congrats TSA!!!
If Pinnacle can get a contract, you guys should have nooooo problem.
If Pinnacle can get a contract, you guys should have nooooo problem.
Originally Posted by Avroman
Now if only we could find some people to hire so we could quit having to cancel flights from lack of crews and continue to violate the contract with improper staffing models.
Last edited by johnso29; 07-13-2011 at 06:23 AM.
07-12-2011, 07:24 PM
#38
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1257,
You are assuming a lot based on one line on the ALPA website. It seems to be industry average pay to me comparing current pay rates at TSA with an 11.7% increase for captains to other pay scales. But again you're assuming a lot. TSA will vote on the TA. No lecturing needed. The pilot group voted overwhelmingly to strike. They are prepared to do so if needed. Going on strike isn't an easy thing to do no matter what you've heard.
You are assuming a lot based on one line on the ALPA website. It seems to be industry average pay to me comparing current pay rates at TSA with an 11.7% increase for captains to other pay scales. But again you're assuming a lot. TSA will vote on the TA. No lecturing needed. The pilot group voted overwhelmingly to strike. They are prepared to do so if needed. Going on strike isn't an easy thing to do no matter what you've heard.
07-12-2011, 07:35 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by 1257
So 11.7% for Capt's. and 14.5% for F/O's?
Weren't you guys near the bottom to start with for a 5 year negotiation
so that's basically an inflation adjustment to the bottom?
Surely the work rules are relevant also, but it pains to see
regional guys seem to get excited about inflationary increases to bottom pay.
Obviously you guys know every new contract agreement affects every other airline negotiation.
Do you want to be there for the duration of your careers?
Do you want your next company to site your low wages to justify lowering their's?
Just saying, we don't all work in an insulated vacuum from each other.
Wish you all the best, but imho this pay rate is far from it.
Weren't you guys near the bottom to start with for a 5 year negotiation
so that's basically an inflation adjustment to the bottom?
Surely the work rules are relevant also, but it pains to see
regional guys seem to get excited about inflationary increases to bottom pay.
Obviously you guys know every new contract agreement affects every other airline negotiation.
Do you want to be there for the duration of your careers?
Do you want your next company to site your low wages to justify lowering their's?
Just saying, we don't all work in an insulated vacuum from each other.
Wish you all the best, but imho this pay rate is far from it.
07-13-2011, 04:13 AM
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Couple things 1257:
We're being given industry average wages. This, in turn, raises the average for the entire industry, not having us at the bottom anymore. There are also rumors floating around that if we sign this contract, we are more than likely going to be awarded an RFP from United starting an August 1st.
Let's not also forget, that in 2005, we wouldn't take anything less than what we wanted, we listened to ALPA, and stood together as a Union. The direct result of that is now GoJet....
You think the company won't spin something off again on us? If this contract is supposed to be what it is, we would get some sort of large turboprop, as well as a guarantee of the first 10 MRJ's (if they ever get delivered), as well as job protection from anything. Who knows, maybe a few months from now, ALPA will fight to get the retiring age up to 70, because you know, we shouldn't just be "average" from the world, we should be industry leading!
We're being given industry average wages. This, in turn, raises the average for the entire industry, not having us at the bottom anymore. There are also rumors floating around that if we sign this contract, we are more than likely going to be awarded an RFP from United starting an August 1st.
Let's not also forget, that in 2005, we wouldn't take anything less than what we wanted, we listened to ALPA, and stood together as a Union. The direct result of that is now GoJet....
You think the company won't spin something off again on us? If this contract is supposed to be what it is, we would get some sort of large turboprop, as well as a guarantee of the first 10 MRJ's (if they ever get delivered), as well as job protection from anything. Who knows, maybe a few months from now, ALPA will fight to get the retiring age up to 70, because you know, we shouldn't just be "average" from the world, we should be industry leading!
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