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lavMan 09-11-2011 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1052748)
Prior to the difficulty dome regionals are having filling classes, you would not have been considered with busts.

The PTS is printed and available. If your decision making abilities are so lacking that you can't even decide for yourself when you aren't ready, and then subsequently fail... How can we trust your judgement on the condition of the aircraft during preflights, how can we trust you to remove yourself for illness or fatigue. You have already proven your aeronautical decision making ability is lacking....

To answer your question. Yes, it does make you more of a risk than the guy/gal with no busts getting the same licenses and ratings.

There are those that haven't, and those who will. Your day will come. No one is perfect.

Senior Skipper 09-11-2011 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1052748)
Prior to the difficulty dome regionals are having filling classes, you would not have been considered with busts.

...

To answer your question. Yes, it does make you more of a risk than the guy/gal with no busts getting the same licenses and ratings.

Hopefully I'll be as great as you are some day. How many checkrides have you taken recently? If you're an airline pilot, you do one every 6-12 months. That equates to a checkride every 400 or 800 hours roughly.

If this guy went the traditional civillian route, he's done anywhere from 3 to 7 checkrides in under 1000TT.

Furthermore, you have no idea WHY he failed those two rides. Did the examiner get upset because he couldn't tell exactly what type of class E airspace he was in, or did he try to takeoff without a clearance?

I'm actually quite surprised to see a pilot turn his back on a fellow airman with 2 busts. That sounds more like something that somebody in HR would arbitrarily decide.

Mason32 09-12-2011 12:42 PM



Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1052748)
Prior to the difficulty dome regionals are having filling classes, you would not have been considered with busts.

...

To answer your question. Yes, it does make you more of a risk than the guy/gal with no busts getting the same licenses and ratings.

Hopefully I'll be as great as you are some day. How many checkrides have you taken recently? If you're an airline pilot, you do one every 6-12 months. That equates to a checkride every 400 or 800 hours roughly.

If this guy went the traditional civillian route, he's done anywhere from 3 to 7 checkrides in under 1000TT.

Furthermore, you have no idea WHY he failed those two rides. Did the examiner get upset because he couldn't tell exactly what type of class E airspace he was in, or did he try to takeoff without a clearance?

I'm actually quite surprised to see a pilot turn his back on a fellow airman with 2 busts. That sounds more like something that somebody in HR would arbitrarily decide.
Look, he was asking about his chances with two busts. My point is the vast majority make it to the right seat with NO busts. Busting means you don't even know what it is that you don't know.... Otherwise you wouldn't have scheduled the test. It isn't like high school, college or the airlines where you take tests when others tell you to. He chose to take the tests and failed. His decision making ability is lacking.

The 1500 hour rule will be a welcome change. I'm sick if babysitting while they learn what they should have already learned before stepping into a jet. The passengers deserve better.

There is NO shortage of experienced pilots. There is a shortage of experienced pilots willing to work for what inexperienced will work for. Some call it SJS; from my seat.... They're right.

Senior Skipper 09-12-2011 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1053202)
Busting means you don't even know what it is that you don't know....

Have you ever taken a checkride? You've never, ever made a mistake on a checkride (even one that was overlooked)?

The 1500 hour rule will be a welcome change. I'm sick if babysitting while they learn what they should have already learned before stepping into a jet. The passengers deserve better.

I can't argue with that.

There is NO shortage of experienced pilots. There is a shortage of experienced pilots willing to work for what inexperienced will work for. Some call it SJS; from my seat.... They're right.

I used to hold that opinion until I met quite a few "experienced" pilots who applied to the same jobs that the 300hr folks were applying to.

I think we have the same views on the 1500hr rule etc, but I absolutely cannot agree with your opinion on checkride busts.

onetogo 09-12-2011 08:59 PM

Eagle FO with zero failures in 9 FAA checkrides checkin in!

raress 09-13-2011 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1052676)
2 busts in less than 1,000 TT????
Fly for fun, and find another profession. Do the rest of us, and the potential passengers, that favor.

Just what is your problem? You were giving me $hit months back about one pink slip in ten years of flying. Failing a checkride happens. No one likes it. Put the white scarf away and get over it. Even better yet, just go away.

BaronRouge380 09-13-2011 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1052676)
2 busts in less than 1,000 TT????
Fly for fun, and find another profession. Do the rest of us, and the potential passengers, that favor.

And do the rest of us a big favor too: be a little more modest and keep your arrogance for yourself!
One thing for sure, I wouldn't like to share a cockpit with charaters like you, not even for a minute, Mr Perfect!!!!

Mason32 09-13-2011 01:41 PM



Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1052676)
2 busts in less than 1,000 TT????
Fly for fun, and find another profession. Do the rest of us, and the potential passengers, that favor.

And do the rest of us a big favor too: be a little more modest and keep your arrogance for yourself!
One thing for sure, I wouldn't like to share a cockpit with charaters like you, not even for a minute, Mr Perfect!!!!
Nobody is perfect, and I make mistakes like every other human being. The one thing I do not do however is take a Checkride when not ready. That just demonstrates poor judgement, and overestimation of ones abilities.

Truth hurts, sorry

galaxy flyer 09-13-2011 01:49 PM

BaronRouge380

You will have to "share" the cockpit with all sorts, including Mason32, better get used to it now.

GF

BrewMaster 09-13-2011 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1053826)
Nobody is perfect, and I make mistakes like every other human being. The one thing I do not do however is take a Checkride when not ready. That just demonstrates poor judgement, and overestimation of ones abilities.

Truth hurts, sorry

How do you know these people didn't get their PPL at 16 and have test anxiety?

10, 11, 15 years later, are you going to say they are "lacking in judgement" or "overestimation of one's abilities?" If you take into account all the factors that can be thrown into the mix, those have to be some of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read.....get off your horse.


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