Colgan pilots need to realize that if they're pre-merger, they probably would be out of a job by now had it not been for Pinnacle. They definitely wouldn't have those Q400s, new contract, job stability, or bidding options. If they're post merger, they probably never would've been able to get a job... the company wouldn't have been hiring.

Mesaba pilots need to realize that had it not been for Pinnacle, a significant number of their pilots would be on the street and many more would be downgraded. They could possibly be facing a much uglier future involving some other merger or buyout (think something involving Comair...)

Both pilot groups are now facing a significantly brighter future and it is, currently, coming at the expense of a lot of Pinnacle pilots. Everyone needs to be more humble and realize that nobody came in and saved the day... and realize that if you're gaining something over what you would've had if it weren't for Pinnacle, its probably coming at the expense of someone else.

Pinnacle pilots are sick of hearing how the Q400s (that they bought) are Colgan's and only Colgan pilots deserve those slots/upgrades. They're also sick of hearing about how Mesaba came in and saved the day and got everyone a new contract. How about everyone just bite their tongues a little more and realize some pilots are getting seriously shafted while others are getting a golden ticket.

 

I think this is exactly what the juice was referring to. Replace mesaba and Colgan, and enter pncl merger committee and Bloch.

 

You need to realize what industry you are in. This is not the first merger where people have said similar things. Get over it already it only makes things worsr for everyone when there is animosity over things out of everyones control. Like everyone has mentioned, blame management and Bloch. Its not any of our fault that he used the staffing levels that werent convienent for each individual. We are one company deal with it or go else where. O its not worth going anywhere right now I assume? Then quit talking about it and go mow your lawn.

 

You are absolutely right, I should provide facts.

Here are some facts, provided from the most recent company seniority list:

At number 500:

P - 5/28/01
C - 10/14/02
M - 5/8/00

At number 1178 (which is the last 9E "captain" according to Bloch):

P - 6/19/06
C - 11/28/06
M - 2/5/01

At number 1461 (which is the first 9E FO according to Bloch):

P - 6/19/06
C - 2/15/08
M - 4/23/07

At number 1772 (which is the 60% point that should be captains with all fences full):

P - 4/9/07
C - 4/20/08
M - 7/30/07

At number 2233 (which is the last integrated 9E pilot, everyone below is XJ, 9L, or newhire to a total of 2954)

P - 9/22/08
C - 2/20/08
M - 11/26/07


How's my credibility now?

 

Funny, everyone at Mesaba and Colgan needs to be more humble because everyone at 9E is being so humble. Get over yourself, you work as a pilot for a Regional with a horrible reputation that chooses to represent itself through ALPA. If ALPA had any form of a sensible merger policy it would of been a DOH merger end of story and you would most likely be worse off. Your company has 125 of the worst airplanes in the world right now and you just happened to luck out because it doesn't have a propeller attached to it and are now above 100s of other pilots who put in more time than you. What more do you want? Is that humble enough for you?

 

If the company staffed according to what our contract requires, no 9E guy should lose their position.

 

Furloughs always come from the bottom.

 

I'm going to guess you've never been furloughed because this is really a kind of ridiculous question. You can't be furloughed from a captains position (unless of course you were a street captain), you furlough off the bottom of the list. So you could potentially be artifically downgraded but you could not be furloughed because first you would be downgraded and once downgraded there are no fences or quotas for fo's.

 

Define Ample. It seems to me that as the saabs leave there will be fewer and fewer fenced captain positions. Maybe I missed something.

 

Pncl made out pretty well IMO, while SLI may not have gone particularly well...you have to look at the whole picture 120+ 50 seaters whose contract prob wont be renewed when it expires on top of losing 900's & 200's due to performance issues...