RAH: "The start of a new direction..."
11-29-2011 | 11:29 AM
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The Republic certificate will not be terminated, they fly for US Airways.
The Shuttle certificate has nothing to do with AMR.
Frontier is the likely candidate to be divested, not RAH.
Chautauqua is a worthless certificate with the exception of Delta/US Airways contracts. Likely the pilots will be displaced to Republic/Shuttle, then cleave off Chautauqua. One seniority list dictates where RAHs pilots go, not the sale of a certificate.
The Shuttle certificate has nothing to do with AMR.
Frontier is the likely candidate to be divested, not RAH.
Chautauqua is a worthless certificate with the exception of Delta/US Airways contracts. Likely the pilots will be displaced to Republic/Shuttle, then cleave off Chautauqua. One seniority list dictates where RAHs pilots go, not the sale of a certificate.
You can bet that BB is working with AMR to put together a package of RJ lift to bundle and sell if he indeed wants out of the FFD game. The APA scope will likely be wide open in bankruptcy (1113). Maybe 190s are going to be the new Eagle airplanes?
There are way too many moving pieces and permutations for a bunch of Internet prognosticators to figure out even the rules of this game. Follow the money and forget about what you think scope does for you.
11-29-2011 | 11:41 AM
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Watch them sale the Frontier Airbuses. Just the planes, not the airline. Your pilot group could easily suffer a Midwest fate. You'll have a better spot on the seniority list than the Midwest pilots, but you will be furloughed due to your fences and no openings. It's not going to work out the way you hope it is.
11-29-2011 | 12:07 PM
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Watch them sale the Frontier Airbuses. Just the planes, not the airline. Your pilot group could easily suffer a Midwest fate. You'll have a better spot on the seniority list than the Midwest pilots, but you will be furloughed due to your fences and no openings. It's not going to work out the way you hope it is.
11-29-2011 | 12:44 PM
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Is his theory not possible? I don't want to speak for the Midwest guys, but I am willing to bet in 2008 if you told their pilot group what would happen to them in 2009/2010 they would likely laugh it off like you just did with hockey's notion. I know you all think you are the golden children to Bedford, but out of respect for what happend to the Midwest guys I would hope you would not be so naive to think the same fate could not be in the cards for F9.
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11-29-2011 | 02:47 PM
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Let's check back in six months and test these theories of yours.
You can bet that BB is working with AMR to put together a package of RJ lift to bundle and sell if he indeed wants out of the FFD game. The APA scope will likely be wide open in bankruptcy (1113). Maybe 190s are going to be the new Eagle airplanes?
There are way too many moving pieces and permutations for a bunch of Internet prognosticators to figure out even the rules of this game. Follow the money and forget about what you think scope does for you.
You can bet that BB is working with AMR to put together a package of RJ lift to bundle and sell if he indeed wants out of the FFD game. The APA scope will likely be wide open in bankruptcy (1113). Maybe 190s are going to be the new Eagle airplanes?
There are way too many moving pieces and permutations for a bunch of Internet prognosticators to figure out even the rules of this game. Follow the money and forget about what you think scope does for you.
11-29-2011 | 07:17 PM
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Either we lease the planes to AMR or they have to buy them from us. Hints why the cockpits are pre setup like eagles.
So I am guessing they will just renegotiate the contract.
11-29-2011 | 09:31 PM
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Actually..... The connection 140's will be at the end of their contract in feb of 2013. AA is allowed to drop the contract 180 days early for no reason but there is a catch.
Either we lease the planes to AMR or they have to buy them from us. Hints why the cockpits are pre setup like eagles.
So I am guessing they will just renegotiate the contract.
Either we lease the planes to AMR or they have to buy them from us. Hints why the cockpits are pre setup like eagles.
So I am guessing they will just renegotiate the contract.
When you combine these 14 RJ's with the 15 145's coming off of CPA at CAL, the RAH FFD will be down 29 aircraft in the next 10 months.
"The Continental Code-Share Agreement
We operate 15 E145 aircraft for Continental under a fixed-fee code-share agreement and provided 88 flights per day as Continental Express.
Unless otherwise extended or amended, the E145 code-share agreement terminates on September 4, 2012."
What remains for CHQ? The 24 145's operated for DAL?
With no 190 deliveries on the horizon (that lawsuit against LOA 67 is looking worse and worse every day), where are all the displaced pilots going to end up? I am definitely not celebrating the potential for 100's of furloughs, I am just wondering what the Biz Agent for the Local 357 was thinking when he sued his own employer and a group of fellow pilots during such a difficult economic time. In retrospect, the ramifications are going to be devastating to the native RAH IBT pilots.
11-29-2011 | 09:35 PM
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Watch them sale the Frontier Airbuses. Just the planes, not the airline. Your pilot group could easily suffer a Midwest fate. You'll have a better spot on the seniority list than the Midwest pilots, but you will be furloughed due to your fences and no openings. It's not going to work out the way you hope it is.
Paul Tate, former CFO of Frontier, liked to consider the untapped equity as his "piggy bank". Frontier cashed in that piggy bank during the summer of 2008.
RAH is not going to sell 60 airbuses and net a handful of millions. RAH is going to IPO a 60 airbus airline and net a few hundred million.
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