RAH: "The start of a new direction..."
12-02-2011 | 04:27 AM
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BB stated that he expected to see scope erosion at AA within the short term. He expected that erosion to come in a contract but I think secretly he thought the bankruptcy would yield it.
I doubt BB will shed any certificates. He might move some planes around and violate some CBAs, LsOA and "Commercial Agreements" but that's business as usual for the loincloth wearing shaman.
As far as the lawsuit for LOA 67, I don't see how preventing the formation of a shell company has anything to do with BB seeking scope relief from AA (assuming that's what he'll do). If anything, that lawsuit, if successful, will keep BB from obtaining that scope relief, moving A/C over to the shell company and whipsawing the legacy RAHers.
But at the rate FAPA's lawsuit against the integration, and IBT's lawsuit against FAPAInvest LLC are proceeding, we'll have an answer on the wall before we could have made a supportable assessment.
I doubt BB will shed any certificates. He might move some planes around and violate some CBAs, LsOA and "Commercial Agreements" but that's business as usual for the loincloth wearing shaman.
As far as the lawsuit for LOA 67, I don't see how preventing the formation of a shell company has anything to do with BB seeking scope relief from AA (assuming that's what he'll do). If anything, that lawsuit, if successful, will keep BB from obtaining that scope relief, moving A/C over to the shell company and whipsawing the legacy RAHers.
But at the rate FAPA's lawsuit against the integration, and IBT's lawsuit against FAPAInvest LLC are proceeding, we'll have an answer on the wall before we could have made a supportable assessment.
How can you use a group that makes more money to whipsaw the group that makes less? Unless F9 is going to take poverty wages just to **** us off, in which case your argument that you did your time at a regional goes out the window.
12-02-2011 | 04:35 AM
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They were higher in both seats and every year of longevity than your current rates, but we still said no thanks for a variety of reasons.
One reason was the fact that we didn't want to negatively impact your current negotiations. Had we known that the IBT was going to sue us in an effort to overturn the LOA, I am pretty sure you would see 190 rates in our CBA and 190's on the F9 certificate.
12-02-2011 | 06:23 AM
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Me? Pretty sure we are on the same team. Tier 3 FO, ready to burn the place down for a liveable wage. Pretty sure you meant RPC.
Regardless of where the 190's are, it's one list so it's not a gigantic threat. They are not fenced but the training costs alone that would be associated with retraining almost guarantee that won't happen.
You will learn BB is pretty oblivious to a group that actually will actually hold him and WH accountable to the contract it what is legal. He never had that from the 747 here, so when the new regime took over they are having to change the way the play. Green team is walking down the same path that the 747 and GS did.
12-02-2011 | 08:18 AM
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This issue isn't F9 pilots doing the flying, it's new pilots getting hired on, at a subpar rate (worse than ours? is that possible?). Then BB shifts anything he wants over to the F9 "company" without worrying about a STS, seniority list, or legacy CBA restrictions. All is possible, when BB has less than half ownership but near full control. The seniority list won't matter.
12-03-2011 | 02:13 PM
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This issue isn't F9 pilots doing the flying, it's new pilots getting hired on, at a subpar rate (worse than ours? is that possible?). Then BB shifts anything he wants over to the F9 "company" without worrying about a STS, seniority list, or legacy CBA restrictions. All is possible, when BB has less than half ownership but near full control. The seniority list won't matter.
That's for the NMB to decide.
12-05-2011 | 11:06 AM
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Teamster Lanyard
So recently I've heard that several Rp pilots being denied j/s and cabin seats because they wouldn not remove their Teamster Lanyard? I know of one incident where the F9 cpt was having a discipline review over that? Any news to the outcome? Seriously its just a lanyard and is it worth denying someone a ride to work?
12-05-2011 | 11:51 AM
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So recently I've heard that several Rp pilots being denied j/s and cabin seats because they wouldn not remove their Teamster Lanyard? I know of one incident where the F9 cpt was having a discipline review over that? Any news to the outcome? Seriously its just a lanyard and is it worth denying someone a ride to work?
12-05-2011 | 12:17 PM
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So recently I've heard that several Rp pilots being denied j/s and cabin seats because they wouldn not remove their Teamster Lanyard? I know of one incident where the F9 cpt was having a discipline review over that? Any news to the outcome? Seriously its just a lanyard and is it worth denying someone a ride to work?
12-05-2011 | 01:08 PM
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Why would he be rewarded for acting like a child? The pilot wasnt riding in the js, he was riding in the cabin in an open seat. My suggestion is to grow up... This is getting way too old. I understand you are all frustrated that a "regional" bought your beloved airline, but time to face facts and enjoy employment or move on. That lanyard had nothing to do with the F9 purchase as Teamsters has been fighting for a new contract yrs before that. I think you guys should continue to do that and see how far it gets you if you think its worth it. Seriously your not going to be coddled forever...
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