Lets see how my facts are:

The NC Chair is the same Chair that negotiated your last contract, Dan.

Dan was on the CHQ Committee for the CHQ/S5 SLI, I think he was the Chair, but I don't recall for certain. Travis was on the S5 side of the SLI. S5 got screwed.

Eve wasn't involved on NC the first time around, but is now.

Dan, Eve and Travis were the only noteworthy pilots on the "RAH Merger Committee." Eve was on the TAT. Bill Wilder was IBT Counsel to the "RAH Merger Committee."

Bill, Dan, Eve and Craig are the Negotiating Committee. Bill is the 357's "Professional Negotiator" whose salary is being paid by an assessment.

Craig is on the NC AND President-elect. Craig was number 114 on the MEA list, is number 1900 on the IMSL, was hired at MEA on April 18, 1994 and is 50 years old. I've read his lawsuit, I've talked to MEA pilots about him.

I could go on for 15 pages about Bill Wilder, he represented the Frontier Mechanics, said McBond doesn't apply to MEA F/A's because it's not a "covered transaction" as it wasn't an airline buying and airline but a Holding Company (Republic Airways Holdings) buying a Holding Company (Midwest Air Group).

I like Bill, he did a decent job for F9's Mechanics and was up against the most despicable Attorney I've ever encountered, Brian M. Mumaugh at Holland and Hart in Denver, representing Frontier in the Chapter 11 and 1113 process. Brian embarrassed himself immensely at the 1113 hearing, it was hilarious to read the dressing down the Judge did on Brian.

I have 100's of pages of Bill's representation on my computer from the Chapter 11, 1113 process on our Mechanics (oh, and I've actually read them).

Bill flip-flops on issues at an amazing rate, depending on who he is currently representing. It was an issue at Arbitration, we (and Bill) couldn't keep track of when he was representing the IBT and when he was representing the "RAH Merger Committee." I reckon that goes with being an Attorney and working for different clients simultaneously. The experienced (old) Attorneys for each group at the Arbitration all said, "Bill's OK, but he's no Roland." Roland is Bill's Dad and has quite the favorable reputation in the RLA world.

Eve likes kayaking, Dan did martial arts years ago. Everybody knows Eve worked for Enron and Dan did some unspeakable act (allegedly) to gain insight into Wayne's world.

Frontier became a MAJOR on January 24, 2007.

Frontier Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you heard of Google? It's pretty cool.

Are those some of the "facts" you were looking for? Do you disagree with any of the "facts" I've mentioned?

You REALLY don't think that it's important enough to the F9/FAPA pilots for us to pay attention to what's going on over there? It's sad that you're so self-righteous, self-centered and arrogant that you don't know, or care, about what's going on over here.

One of the fundamental axioms of law is, "Don't ask a question unless you know the answer."

Keep being dismissive and keep up your great line of correction, if you asked questions, there's a chance you might learn. But it seems you're already as smart as you want to be.

 

You keep telling yourself that.

 

It's called "reality". Something you apparently lack. Even though F9 is going to be split, there's still a merged list to deal with. I could give two sh**s where F9 ends up, with the exception of the pilot group. Like it's been said before, there's only a small percentage of the RAH pilot group that cares about getting on with F9. Most of them are DEN based or want to be. F9 has been bleeding RAH dry and I'm surprised it took this long for the BoD to cut the cord.

I wish you and the rest of the guys the best of luck. Hopefully you can make it on your own because I can guarantee you that if you can't and someone comes along and buys you out, again, you'll be back on here complaining about the same thing.

The kool-aide's only as strong as you make it out to be!

 

so WHEN F9 is separated and the STS is voided the IMSL will be ............. Meaningless

 

STS is complete... what's to void? hell, the F/As just got an STS vote that they didn't even ask for!!! do you think FAPAInvest, who doesn't represent you, will undo the STS? I can only imagine more lawsuits coming down the poopchute!

 

Still mad because you got spanked ? Playing video games,"on another planet" and you still lost-what does that say about YOUR legal team ? Hahaha !Just wait till you're off RAH life-support.

 

I think you missed the point of my previous post, sadly, that doesn't surprise me in the least. Your punctuation, grammar and the overall immaturity of your post demonstrates a portion of the case we made to Eischen and adds nothing of value to the discussion.

I don't feel "spanked." I feel the Arbitrator did a poor job of listening to the positions and arguments presented to him.

The people that matter, the Attorneys, thought our legal team was very good. The way the IMSL turned out was not a result of the individual Attorneys, the witnesses or the cases presented to Eischen by each of the five parties.

The best evidence of the disconnect between the cases and the award is the difference between Eischen's written decision and the Excel "scatter graph or plot" that Eischen was so fond of. The two are practically polar opposites.


If you listened to the Q3 Earnings call (11-8-11) and/or the Webinar (11-10-11) you would be aware of the Company's position that the < 50 seaters are killing Branded and may even be killing the Company in the FFD operations. Bryan stated that, in some cases, it will be cheaper to park those aircraft than operate them.

The 170's are a mixed bag, losing money on the Branded side but making it up with a VERY small profit by feeding the Branded operation. The 170's are all coming off the Branded side ASAP.

The 190's are doing better than the 170's and they mat stay with the Branded side, if for no other reason than RAH has no where else to place them. That's why the Company cancelled or indefinitely deferred something like 18-20 190 orders.

The 318's lost money, they're going away.

The 319's and 320's - in DEN - were the only profitable aircraft in the RAH system, that's why we're getting 80 more of those aircraft (many will be replacement aircraft for aging Airbii).

To summarize:

135's and 145's getting parked or are in need of renegotiation with the CPA partners for them to be profitable.

170's going into the FFD side as quickly as possible.

190's are frozen for now.

The only long-term growth is on the Branded side with 319's and 320's.

The reason Bryan bought F9 was his belief that the FFD world is "a melting ice cube."

So, I wouldn't categorize what we're doing in getting away from the FFD side of RAH as "life support", it's closer to being 100 pounds overweight and needing to shed that weight to be healthy.

And all of us can hardly wait to shed that 100 pounds.

 

Wow, you really believe everything BB tells you don't you?

 

Time will tell. I have more faith in him (pun intended) than I do your union.

Cheers T5

 

I believe Bryan substantially more than I believe anything the IBT has to say. Bryan has earned our trust, the IBT has done the opposite.

FAPA had a good relationship with Bryan, the issues we brought up were addressed in a timely manner and usually to our satisfaction. That may be just because we were willing to work with him. We even get along with Wayne, if you can imagine that.....

Bryan selected extremely high quality individuals as the foundation of our Management team. They are people Bryan respects, people that respect Bryan and people that the pilots and other employee groups respect.

Our new VP of Flt Ops was a brilliant choice and speaks volumes in how Bryan expects his Management team to interact with the employees of Frontier. Our new Director of HR and Labor relations has a long history at Frontier in dealing fairly and openly with the Unions and employees that are not represented, whether we agree on a given issue or not.

They are both people that the employees will, again, work with and they will work with us. There are inevitably going to be matters we disagree on, but both sides realize that we are (and have been) in a long-term relationship and all of our lives depend on resolving the issues in a way that allows the Company to succeed.

Things are definitely looking up at Frontier, morale is up, confidence in Bryan and his Management team is up and the employees are, generally, the happiest we've been in years.

We will have challenges going forward (many of which are being caused by our "Representation" group - the IBT) but Frontier has successfully faced many challenges in the past 17 years, 4 months and 10 days.

How's that compare to the "Native" RAH, FFD, IBT represented group?

You guys can keep fighting with Management and trying to "make them wonder what the IBT will do to them today" [paraphrased].

The last thing we want for OUR Management team to worry about is the basic relationship and level of cooperation they are going to receive from us, their employees. That frees up their time to be proactive in developing new ideas to make the Company a success and ways to maintain and improve the Employee/Management relationship.

Yep, we like our way a lot more than the IBT way.