Not for long RAH BRO!

 

That single sentence summarizes so much:

1. This false notion that FAPA doesn't "exist".
2. This is HUGE - your union is "against management", not FOR the pilots. that kind of net-sum-zero mindset is very damaging to your bargaining efforts.

I'd like to see a little more decency and professionalism from the RAH pilots in occupying a jumpseat instead of a cabin seat to allow customers (who enable your paycheck) to get where they're going. More than once, I've had RAH crewmembers leave revenue passengers behind with no more reason than "I don't feel like it". I have NEVER had a Frontier pilot or flight attendant do that.

 

FAPA doesn't exist anymore. Maybe when you're back on your own, but for now FAPA's just a memory.

I don't like leaving anyone behind myself, but the Jumpseat was never intended to make sure revenue people get on. Be careful with what you want to see because if you're waiting on that Jumpseat and a positive space pilot takes it to help the gate get another HK on the plane then you'll be the one watching the plane leave you. The JS is meant for observation and crew members trying to commute.

 

I respect the fact you value your customers, but taking a jumpseat when on positive space is a slippery slope. I have been left behind on Frontier twice because positive space crew members had filled the jumpseat. Gotta say its a pretty crappy feeling to completly miss dinner with my wife that I have not seen in 6 days because you guys decide to use the jumpseats to help your company, not your fellow pilots like the reciprocal jumpseat agreements were created for. I know im not the only one that has been screwed by this practice as well.

Sooner or later you guys are going to leave behind a head of a JS committee and risk losing a reciprocal agreement. I know alot of you dont commute, but I have seen my share of you guys living it up on UAL across the Pacific in business class while on vacation. Sure would suck to lose a privilege like that because you wanted to save Frontier one oversold flight at a time.

 

Wow....what an ENTITLED mentality. JS is a privelidge NOT a right

 

Positive space is a cost of doing business. I will never ride a jumpseat when deadheading. I'm not the one who oversold the flight. I'm not the one who chose to deadhead. If you do it enough, gate agents will expect it, someone who needs the jumpseat to get home or to work will be left behind, and worst of all it might become policy. Then you won't have a choice. You are out of line telling people they should do it. "I don't feel like it" is a good reason to not take the jumpseat while deadheading.

 

You are damn right its a privelidge, so stop abusing it by blocking guys from getting to work or home... The same guys that extend the jumpseat privilege to you guys, but actually leave the seats open rather then fill them up to help your company out. WAKE UP!!!!

 

Wow...do you understand what the JS is actually for? NOT for dead headers , you get that? I'm proud of our guys for sticking to our contract. I almost didn't make it home awhile back because some F9 crew in MCI jumped at the chance to 'help' and take the JS's. Luckily it was a 190 and our CA did the walk (which I never see F9 guys do) and I was able to talk to him. He simply told the agent the flight will not leave until I'm occupying the JS. And why would we want to sit up front with you guys? I'm running into more and more immature F9 guys more worried about lanyards and still ****ed about the integration than I care to deal with.

When we get full DH pay on our next contract, we can talk about using the JS as a last resort. In the meantime, why don't you not be so excited about leaving a commuter behind. Thanks.

 

Same people will be doing the same job.
Just with a different letterhead on the top of the check.
And, it will still be subpar.

 

Just a figment of my imagination...wow. Such a convincing illusion! I even see people who are part of this imaginary FAPA. I need to get help.

And what would you say to the passenger who paid several hundred dollars and misses dinner with their family. You know, the one who paid the ticket so that you can have a job? That's what happened in both cases that I was referring to. Deadheading crewmembers didn't want the jumpseats, and 5 passengers were put in the situation that you find so awful when it happens to you. There were no OAL jumpseaters involved. Try again with the logic thing.

If you are so certain that what you are doing is the right thing to do, I would just ask that you go and talk to the passenger you're causing to be left behind, and explain to them that they're SOL because "I don't feel like it", and "I'm not the one who oversold the flight". Or is your message more "I'm doing it for your own good"?