LAX runway incursion SKYW
10-06-2006, 06:26 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
too bad it takes greater than 2 years i think to train controllers.
So what happens when it becomes crunch time? The Agency and their anti-labor bullsh1t install a non-tract on it's employees and future employees.
Go figure. They want competent individuals to keep metal from touching. . .not for 40k a year, sorry.
10-06-2006, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
Hmm, first LEX now LAX. Another incident partially related to tower staffing. Anyone seeing a trend here?
Now having said that, I think you CAN hang the FAA/Govt. for not funding and implementing safety related technology in a timely manner. Just flew out of Singapore and our taxi clearance from ground was "follow the green lights". Had a red stop bar at the proper hold point to boot! Sounds like something that could save lives in the US huh.
10-06-2006, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
Hmm, first LEX now LAX. Another incident partially related to tower staffing. Anyone seeing a trend here?
In the second place, if you'll read the above story correctly, you'll see that the Gulfstream pilot was instructed on more than one occassion to hold short of the runway. He failed to comply with taxi instructions, was corrected by the controller, and then STILL crossed the runway. I don't see how you could construe this as a staffing issue.
Does the FAA have staffing issues? You betcha. Did they cause either of these events? I don't think so. Not any more than the airport's lawnmowing schedule affected the events.
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10-07-2006, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
Surreal, question for you: How do you like weather forecasting?? I'm a senior in college in a meteo major and I'm just starting to learn to forecast. Not easy!
10-08-2006, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
Hmm, first LEX now LAX. Another incident partially related to tower staffing. Anyone seeing a trend here?
10-09-2006, 07:19 AM
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I have never flown at LAX. Is it possible that the runway layout or crossing points are confusing? I have never seen this so I don't know. But the markings are FAA standard, right?
Still, the suggestion to put the flashing lights at crossing points makes sense.
Still, the suggestion to put the flashing lights at crossing points makes sense.
10-09-2006, 08:23 AM
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Don't know about the gulfstream incident, but there was nothing confusing about the mesa deal...they were told to exit the runway and hold short of the parallel, and they didn't hold short.
10-09-2006, 09:32 AM
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Your right, there was nothing confusing about the Mesa incident. I fly in and out of LAX on the Bro. Sometimes in and out of LAX 3 or 4 times a day if I'm working the LAX system for SKW, I don't think the markings are that confusing. Would the light system help? I'm sure it would but what would help more than that is if pilots would just pay a little more attention and not get so complacent. I know that we deal with complacency in you work lives, its part of being a creature of habit (pilot). But understanding that you can become complacent and forcing yourself to pay more attention is the only way to correct these mistakes.
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