We don't have to worry about management...we already know what they want. We need to worry about the fear-card our own MEC is about to play on the pilot group. Beware the promises of future returns!

Is this going to be put to a pilot vote or does the MEC gets sole authority?

History Lesson: USAirways

Concessions. Bankruptcy. Concessions 2.

Lots o' FUD going around...

Pilot group concessions won't save PNCL from declaring bankruptcy if that's what it takes to "remain competitive" - just ask any American Airlines pilot.

Only airline management could take 3 airlines that were all making money and turn the end sum into an unprofitable entity...

Thank you Boiler.

No concessions. We've got to unite around something, and this seems like a worthy cause.

We all know what happens to people who don't learn from history.

I agree...
And if they thought moral was low during TA1 just think what will happen if we do this. Our performance will be nill. Also, I hope ALPA doesn't screw us on this. I wonder how many would "opt out" just to prove a point. I know they still take the dues/some dues but it sends a message. I know several guys that have floated this around...

To ALPA reps: NO!!!!!!!

Are you listening?

Furthermore, you want concessions? Why don't they finish getting their house in order before coming to the big bad pilots? Pay already sucks and they want us to decrease it while flying 90 hr lines? Ok sure, let's go back to '08-'09...better get your sick notes ready...here's my one and only concession: you can take the crappy deadhead pay back-thats it...

Just in case any MEC reps are on here... (i really dont know)

ALPA! - No Concessions!

Wrong. We were told at the time that if we did not cut costs and give concessions to the company, we were heading straight for bankruptcy....and the same arguments you are making right now were made back then. It sounded something like this:

"Let's take small concessions or else a bankruptcy judge do it for us. Don't worry though, as soon as the company turns around there will be snap backs for pay."

So we gave, the bankruptcy never happened, and Uncle Jerry swooped in. Our management left with a sh1tload of money in their pockets. Contract guaranteed severances, they said. So I gave, and the rest of the XJT pilots and FA's gave so management could line their pockets.

I will tell you this....NEVER AGAIN. It is probably the single biggest regret I have in this career so far. To add insult to injury, we now work for a profitable parent company, and we still have not seen any snap backs in pay.

My advice guys...don't do it. You will give and you will only get more angry when you see management taking their multi-million dollar bonuses and severance packages anyway. Don't fund the corporate greed. We are all underpaid as it is already.

Pinnacle pilots already gave the company concessions for over 5 years. The company in that time threw away hundreds of millions of dollars in bad decisions, senior management pay, buying airlines, etc. Let them figure out this pickle they've gotten themselves into.

Play chicken with them. Make them blink first. Pinnacle is not a career. It is a job. With the amount of hiring that is going to be coming in the next few years, every single Pinnacle pilot will be able to get a new job if the airline closes doors... and thanks to not taking concessions, you won't be dragging down the rest of the industry and these new jobs will be better than your Pinnacle jobs.

PINNACLE PILOTS ARE NOT MANAGEMENT'S PIGGY BANK. DONT GIVE THEM ONE SINGLE CENT.