I'm curious to how much detail ALPA is going to go into when trying to ram this thing down our throat in the roadshows. They signed the NDA, even though they work for me and now they can't tell me the details? I'd like to see the numbers this ALPA financial expert came up with. Just a take my word for it, we need to give concessions isn't going to cut it. A quick rough calculation show that a 5% cut from pilots is somewhere close to the reported cost of the move plus previous management exit costs.

Creating a safety culture that has led to having an accident-free operation for 68 years, for starters.

Also worth noting that the collective bargaining agreement with lucrative work rules that many pilots hold so dear to them wasn't a product of management's kind heart.

True, and yet here ALPA is getting ready to show the pilots a TA with 5% pay cuts in it. Whatever happened to taking this industry back? Whatever happened to a union just standing up and saying "NO!!"??

I understand there are other things in this upcoming TA that have nothing to do with pay. These other issues could potentially help the pilots and the company, and that's alright. But pay cuts, GMAFB!

I encourage everyone to listen to the road shows. I hate the BS as well. Sick and tired of this industry. But..... Listen to what they have to say. Things could get faaaaar worse.

I hear what you are saying and agree, it's BS. I have googled "1113 motion" and would suggest you do the same. I started to realize that life isn't fair soon afterwards... You and I both don't know what will be in any TA yet either, only a vague idea, but like Al said, I'm at least going to educate myself and attend a roadshow if I can. It's a business decision for us in the end, lots of guys are too emotional.

I would love for Phil to end up asking me what type of bread I'd like at the Subway on Nonconnah after what he's taken from this airline, but it ain't gonna happen.

Well this isn't "Mesaba"... this is Pinnacle Corp you're talking about, and there's no way that $afety comes first at this dog and pony show...

I look forward to the day when death by powerpoint and incompetent instructors ends.

Understand this - you could agree to a 50% pay cut to help the company, and if Pinnacle files Ch11 the next day your efforts will not be recognized by the judge.

Only concessions given during BK count as a good faith sacrifice toward the 1113c motion that Pinnacle will certainly file against the pilot group.

+1 Thanks, Boomer. As a former OH guy myself, I've been trying to explain that history is repeating itself to everyone I speak with out on the line.

Someone should mention this to the ALPA guys that sent out their "FAQ" last night where they say any givebacks now will be looked favorably upon by the bankruptcy judge.

That's only popular when it's somebody elses turn to do it. Making the right choice is often hard. This is not a contribution I want to make to the industry. I'm voting "NO"