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Question, I'm still on probation, will I be able to vote on this? Or do i just get to sit back and watch the show?

-Matt

probationary pilots can not vote

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Originally Posted by whoareyou310 (Post 1113184)

probationary pilots can not vote

...until they have done 100 hours of IOE using a snow shovel and/or lawnmower for senior captains at their airline. Then and only then can they cast a vote. :D:D:D

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Originally Posted by whtever (Post 1113051)

+1 Nice post! Completely agree... Maybe we should have a few Comair guys speak after the "roadshows" ;)

Or you could bring this to the road show and read it out loud during the Q&A:

"This is from page 7 of Comair's 1113 decision.
Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code provides as follows in the relevant subsections:
(b) (1) Subsequent to filing a petition and prior to filing an application seeking rejection of a collective bargaining agreement, the debtor in possession or trustee, shall —

(A) make a proposal to the authorized representative of the employees covered by such agreement, based on the most complete and reliable information available at the time of such proposal, which provides for those necessary modifications in the employees benefits and protections that are necessary to permit the reorganization of the debtor and assures that all creditors, the debtor and all of the affected parties are treated fairly and equitably...

Now please tell us where it says our sacrifices will be honored by the court when Pinnacle files for bankruptcy? Because the "subsequent to filing a petition" part kinda says we still need to give back our fair share during BK, regardless of what we give back now."

So throw something like that out there and watch the shifty ALPA lawyer they have standing off to the side kinda step forward, shrug his shoulders, and tell you "There's really no way to guarantee anything no matter what you do, and I can't tell you how to vote but you really should vote yes for the TA."

So is us not getting paid ontime a part of their new strategery? Take money from peter to pay paul?

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1112622)

Here is the Judge's ruling that prevented ALPA from self-help when the company imposed their 1113c contract:

http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/opinion...24_opinion.pdf

If this document doesn't make you mad as a pilot I don't know what should. The RLA prevents a strike as long as the status quo is maintained in negotiations. However the court can apparently prevent a strike in bankruptcy even though the status quo isn't maintained?!?! So apparently the company gets to have it's cake and eat it too as long as they declare bankruptcy?

We as pilots are slaves to one company due to the seniority system and the RLA prevents our self help in search of a contract because you have to maintain the status quo and yet the company can declare bankruptcy, change the contract AND prevent a strike? How is that status quo?

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Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1116786)

So is us not getting paid ontime a part of their new strategery? Take money from peter to pay paul?

It's called "rainmaker". I got paid fwiw.

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Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1116932)

It's called "rainmaker". I got paid fwiw.

I didn't get paid, but I am not too worried because there was a memo that said they are working hard to ensure this problem will never happen again. :roll eyes:

I think that memo should just be permanently posted on the company website.

"It's called "rainmaker". I got paid fwiw. "

You are close to the heart of the matter ... you have influence!

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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1116938)

I can't wait for the memo that says our W2's are delayed due to an error at the post office...