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Originally Posted by B200 Hawk
(Post 1104930)
^there goes people dropping the f word again. There will need to be substantial reduction in flying for that to happen. Come on man.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1104723)
I like how concessionary decisions ALWAYS have to be made in an extremely compressed time frame...but contract negotiations for wage & work rule improvements take YEARS. Very strategic in this case, as it more or less prevents a pilot group vote (especially around the holidays? YGBSM) and would lay it directly at the feet of the MEC.
If 'all' they are asking for is 5%, what's the worst one could reasonably stand to lose at the hands of a bankruptcy judge? I don't work there so I have no skin in the game, but this has been played out many times before...even at the regional level. And if BK is the best way to restructure the company financially, pilot concessions aren't going to do jack squat to prevent them from filing. "All of this has happened before, and will happen again." |
I'm pretty sure Menke and friends knows that if this goes to the pilots for a vote it will be a big "H#$% Fu#king NO", and I'm sure the Union guys know that if they allow this concession to happen without letting the pilot group vote, their days will be numbered. This is a chess game and the company is thinking 10 moves ahead of us lowly money hoarding pilots. IMO, bankruptcy is imminent and the company will end up getting more like 8% from the pilots and 11-09 will be canceled. Also, they will get the union to agree to omit that one little pesky sentence in the contract that deals with displacements, you know, the one that states the company must allow secondaries.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1104723)
I like how concessionary decisions ALWAYS have to be made in an extremely compressed time frame...but contract negotiations for wage & work rule improvements take YEARS. Very strategic in this case, as it more or less prevents a pilot group vote (especially around the holidays? YGBSM) and would lay it directly at the feet of the MEC.
If 'all' they are asking for is 5%, what's the worst one could reasonably stand to lose at the hands of a bankruptcy judge? I don't work there so I have no skin in the game, but this has been played out many times before...even at the regional level. And if BK is the best way to restructure the company financially, pilot concessions aren't going to do jack squat to prevent them from filing. "All of this has happened before, and will happen again." |
Originally Posted by CzechAirman
(Post 1105044)
Duh. Most charter operators are single pilot in a King Air and throw CFIs in the right seat to make the pax feel better thinking they have a qualified copilot onboard.
Again, "most charter operators" can't just "throw CFIs into the right seat to make pax feel better" because their OpSpecs don't allow for that. |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1105090)
With a comment like that, I'm guessing you don't have much 135 experience, let alone 135 experience with KAs.
Again, "most charter operators" can't just "throw CFIs into the right seat to make pax feel better" because their OpSpecs don't allow for that. Yet how many CFIs come on forums like this saying that they got their "turbine" time riding right seat in King Airs. |
Originally Posted by CzechAirman
(Post 1105096)
Yet how many CFIs come on forums like this saying that they got their "turbine" time riding right seat in King Airs.
And certainly not Part 135. |
Again, "most charter operators" can't just "throw CFIs into the right seat to make pax feel better" because their OpSpecs don't allow for that.
Sure they can. They just go on the load manifest as a passenger sitting in the right front seat. The "FO" can't log it, and can't fly, but they can get paid to sit there. |
Originally Posted by conquestdz
(Post 1105100)
Again, "most charter operators" can't just "throw CFIs into the right seat to make pax feel better" because their OpSpecs don't allow for that.
Sure they can. They just go on the load manifest as a passenger sitting in the right front seat. The "FO" can't log it, and can't fly, but they can get paid to sit there. Boiler was under the assumption that most 135 operators are on the up and up and actually follow all the regulations. CFIs routinely fly right seat in King Air type a/c and illegally log it. |
Originally Posted by CzechAirman
(Post 1105102)
Boiler was under the assumption that most 135 operators are on the up and up and actually follow all the regulations. CFIs routinely fly right seat in King Air type a/c and illegally log it.
Edit.....come to think of it....is that what happened in the Wellstone crash? |
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