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CzechAirman 12-20-2011 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1105006)
That same guy was one of the ones going to local charter outfits telling the owner he would fly in the rightseat for free... all while cutting a line of 10 instructors who were waiting for years to get paid for that position.


Gotta love capitalism and the free market.

BoilerUP 12-20-2011 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1105019)
Gotta love capitalism and the free market.

Got to love folks like this - espousing the free market and capitalism right up until they get undercut by somebody willing to do the same job for less (or nothing).

There's no larger bastardization of the "free market" than somebody willing to work for nothing (internships notwithstanding).

If anybody were to ever come to me and say they'd fly for free, that'd be a guarantee that I'd never hire them. If you don't value yourself and your time enough to be financially compensated for the skill required and risk posed by operating an aircraft as a required crewmember, why should I ever think you'd value anything?

CzechAirman 12-20-2011 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1105022)
Got to love folks like this - espousing the free market and capitalism right up until they get undercut by somebody willing to do the same job for less (or nothing).

There's no larger bastardization of the "free market" than somebody willing to work for nothing (internships notwithstanding).

If anybody were to ever come to me and say they'd fly for free, that'd be a guarantee that I'd never hire them. If you don't value yourself and your time enough to be financially compensated for the skill required and risk posed by operating an aircraft as a required crewmember, why should I ever think you'd value anything?


What about the above case with the charter company? Highly unlikely those CFI's were vying to fill "required" seats. Probably just King Air copilots.

BoilerUP 12-20-2011 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1105023)
What about the above case with the charter company? Highly unlikely those CFI's were vying to fill "required" seats. Probably just King Air copilots.

Under 135, if OpSpecs require an SIC then it is a required crewmember position...even on an aircraft whose type certificate has provisions for only one required crewmember (like a King Air).

CzechAirman 12-20-2011 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1105040)
Under 135, if OpSpecs require an SIC then it is a required crewmember position...even on an aircraft whose type certificate has provisions for only one required crewmember (like a King Air).


Duh. Most charter operators are single pilot in a King Air and throw CFIs in the right seat to make the pax feel better thinking they have a qualified copilot onboard.

FlyJSH 12-20-2011 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by UnheededWarning (Post 1105011)
How about 7.5% from captains and leave the poor FOs alone?

How about ZERO percent from EVERYONE?


(I sure hope I missed your sarcasm.)

Saabs 12-20-2011 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by UnheededWarning (Post 1105011)
How about 7.5% from captains and leave the poor FOs alone?


lol at this guy lol

ShyGuy 12-20-2011 01:05 PM

Given the history of Wychor at Mesaba, I'd be very surprised if the union didn't agree to concessions outside of bankruptcy. I'd love to be wrong on this! One can only hope.

PerpetualFlyer 12-20-2011 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1105056)
Given the history of Wychor at Mesaba, I'd be very surprised if the union didn't agree to concessions outside of bankruptcy. I'd love to be wrong on this! One can only hope.


I actually agree with you on something haha. Yea, I think that Wychor is going to do everything he can for Menke and have only the MEC approve concessions and not send it to the entire Pilot Group, where he KNOWS it will fail..

B00sted 12-20-2011 01:17 PM

By listening to Wychor on the conference I've come to the conclusion that he has a good head on his shoulders. Seems intelligent. Until proven otherwise I 100% support this man.


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