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Boomer 12-20-2011 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot (Post 1104863)
Ask any Comair pilot, former or current, where a pay freeze and concessionary contract a year later got them.

To expound on RJTrash's post with a little history timeline:

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2/05 - Delta sends the President of DCI to be the new Comair CEO. First week on the job, new CEO says he's there to cut costs so "Delta can stop giving planes to CHQ and start giving them to Comair again"; asks pilots to sign concessions within the month or the planes may go elsewhere.

3/05 - Comair ALPA pilots vote for concessionary contract #1 that includes fleet guarantee of 199 aircraft.

6/05 - Concessionary contract #1 goes into effect.

9/05 - Delta/Comair files Ch11, aircraft deliveries go to other DCI carriers.

1/06 - Comair pilots vote in favor of concessionary contract #2 (additional pay cuts and work rules) to avoid 1113c motion. Passes by 16 votes.

Summer 06 - FAs refuse to sign concessions, which negates pilot contract #2. FAs get 1113'd and lose.

Summer 06 - Comair loses Delta RFP, aircraft begin leaving Comair for SKW and ASA.

Fall 06 - ALPA MEC refuses to resign concessionary contract #2, pilots get 1113'd.

11/06 - Bankruptcy Judge Adelai Hardin rejects Pilot Contract, finding that the pilots had not "given anything up" in the bankruptcy. Due to some "last man standing" statute, he said all work groups must suffer a comparable amount. He dismissed the pay cuts three months before bankruptcy as "irrelevant" to his decision.

9/10 - 4th new CEO in 4 years announces that the Comair fleet is going to 44 aircraft, somewhat less than 199 aircraft guaranteed by 2005 concessions.

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I don't know what this has to do with the Pinnacle guys, but there you go.

DD214 12-20-2011 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1105193)
To expound on RJTrash's post with a little history timeline:

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2/05 - Delta sends the President of DCI to be the new Comair CEO. First week on the job, new CEO says he's there to cut costs so "Delta can stop giving planes to CHQ and start giving them to Comair again"; asks pilots to sign concessions within the month or the planes may go elsewhere.

3/05 - Comair ALPA pilots vote for concessionary contract #1 that includes fleet guarantee of 199 aircraft.

6/05 - Concessionary contract #1 goes into effect.

9/05 - Delta/Comair files Ch11, aircraft deliveries go to other DCI carriers.

1/06 - Comair pilots vote in favor of concessionary contract #2 (additional pay cuts and work rules) to avoid 1113c motion. Passes by 16 votes.

Summer 06 - FAs refuse to sign concessions, which negates pilot contract #2. FAs get 1113'd and lose.

Summer 06 - Comair loses Delta RFP, aircraft begin leaving Comair for SKW and ASA.

Fall 06 - ALPA MEC refuses to resign concessionary contract #2, pilots get 1113'd.

11/06 - Bankruptcy Judge Adelai Hardin rejects Pilot Contract, finding that the pilots had not "given anything up" in the bankruptcy. Due to some "last man standing" statute, he said all work groups must suffer a comparable amount. He dismissed the pay cuts three months before bankruptcy as "irrelevant" to his decision.

9/10 - 4th new CEO in 4 years announces that the Comair fleet is going to 44 aircraft, somewhat less than 199 aircraft guaranteed by 2005 concessions.

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I don't know what this has to do with the Pinnacle guys, but there you go.


This is Painful to read
Take note guys don't fall for the Okie Dokie

DD214 12-20-2011 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1105178)
The age 65 rule pilot shortage will be starting next year!

Oh wait...

Solutions WHATS your Solution I hear alot of commentary but no Suggestion or Solution..

The Juice 12-20-2011 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1105193)
9/10 - 4th new CEO in 4 years announces that the Comair fleet is going to 44 aircraft, somewhat less than 199 aircraft guaranteed by 2005 concessions.

Pinnacle pilots, read and read again. There is nothing to be gained by concessions.

Jetrecruiter 12-20-2011 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1105228)
Pinnacle pilots, read and read again. There is nothing to be gained by concessions.

That is a point to be taken seriously... Juice you nailed it.

ShyGuy 12-20-2011 07:04 PM

It doesnt matter what we want, due to the quick timeline, the line pilots will not be voting. Our union leadership will be casting the vote for this one. If they vote no, we are all on the same page. But what if they vote yes? If that happens our paycut will be effective Jan 1st. And with medical insurance premiums much higher than last year, most of us will learn less than this year.

lolwut 12-20-2011 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1105329)
It doesnt matter what we want, due to the quick timeline, the line pilots will not be voting. Our union leadership will be casting the vote for this one. If they vote no, we are all on the same page. But what if they vote yes? If that happens our paycut will be effective Jan 1st. And with medical insurance premiums much higher than last year, most of us will learn less than this year.

Every single rep voting yes should be recalled by the pilot group. If it passes by a significant margin, theres even justification I'd say to consider decertifying ALPA.

Fly782 12-20-2011 07:22 PM

Anyone find it convenient that the FT/DT announcement is tomorrow and most likely ALPA is voting tonight on this... If there is a demand for more pilots we would have more leverage and call the F word bluff. Maybe they saw it coming and want cuts to pay more pilots...

Laxrox43 12-20-2011 07:24 PM


Every single rep voting yes should be recalled by the pilot group. If it passes by a significant margin, theres even justification I'd say to consider decertifying ALPA.
+1. I totally agree.

The Juice 12-20-2011 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1105329)
It doesnt matter what we want, due to the quick timeline, the line pilots will not be voting. Our union leadership will be casting the vote for this one. If they vote no, we are all on the same page. But what if they vote yes? If that happens our paycut will be effective Jan 1st. And with medical insurance premiums much higher than last year, most of us will learn less than this year.

You have zero idea on what you are talking about. Zero! Zero! Zero! You have no idea who will be the ones voting on this.

You like to troll behind your computer and get off on being a negative wannabe soothsayer. Even your own pilots cant stand what you do, you think you do it in secrecy, but they all know who you are and so do I:eek:

Please get a life, it is embarrassing to watch you continue.


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