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Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
(Post 1105404)
Update on Discussions with the Company
We recognize the difficult position our pilots face when they see a concessionary “ask” without the background data supporting the need for that request. Your local representatives, MEC officers and negotiators do not like having data we cannot share with the pilots who elected us and to whom we report. Know that we will use due diligence, that we will verify the data prior to reaching any conclusions, and that all Pinnacle pilots will have a vote should any agreement be reached. To that end, during tonight’s MEC conference call, the MEC unanimously passed a resolution that states: “Any tentative agreement that includes concessions shall be subject to membership ratification.” The Negotiating committee, Chairman Tom Wychor, and Vice-Chairman Jonathan Allen met with the company for the second day to present a counter-proposal to the company’s initial asks that were presented yesterday. We began our discussions with the 5% wage concessions. We communicated our need to better understand the economics warranting this concession, and stated that our time would be better spent on the more complex Section 24 issues. We currently have ALPA’s Economic and Finance Analysis department analyzing the financial data that the company provided us. We will return to Section 3 discussions after obtaining more detailed information and analysis. We continued the discussion by presenting ALPA’s proposal to help reduce training costs as our company faces a complex and costly integration. We discussed potential solutions for saving on training costs through adjustments in our Section 24 language, which we will explain in detail should our negotiations produce a tentative agreement. We also contemplated the possibility of altering the 11-09 award, but changes will be limited by the need to conduct the training necessary to eliminate the Mesaba Saabs and build up the crew complement in previously understaffed positions. Many of you are concerned about the possibility of negotiating concessions to our current agreement now, only to enter bankruptcy in the near future. The MEC and the Negotiating committee shares your concerns and is taking steps to allow for proactive engagement to avoid bankruptcy, while protecting our position should the company file. The Negotiating committee is scheduled to meet with the company tomorrow at 1:00 CST. We will promptly communicate to you any updates that result from tomorrow’s meeting. ALPA should tell management to cut their pay by 50% prior to the next meeting if they want the pilot group to even consider a 5% pay cut. VOTE NO AND STAY STRONG! Good luck. |
Whether we vote yes or no on concessions will have nothing to do with BK. If its going to happen, its going to happen. You don't flirt with bankruptcy because you are 5% over budget. Funny how our CEO and CFO have already been through this before... We need shed the things that aren't making money, get it? Half of it is already moving anyways. Hasn't made money for years and never will... be gone with it.
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I know this has been gone over before in this thread but I would like to drive this point home.
We took a 3.46 million dollar loss in the last quarter which is why management is trying to get us to accept consessions. Lets not forget that management paid out 3.5 to 4 million dollars in bonuses to their buddies in upper management. If those bonuses were not paid out, we would have had a breakeven to positive quarter. The SEC (securities and exchange commision) and shareholders should be made aware of this if anyone knows how. Management has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders and should be held accountable for the shortfall not the pilot group. They made the mess, they get to clean it up. Stay strong and stay united. Management underestimated the unintened consequences of this debacle- ONE PILOT GROUP STANDING TOGETHER +1 for "NO CONSESSIONS" |
Does anybody else see the irony in this? Just a few months back, Sean put out a memo talking about the importance of a unified employee group. Not sure how the other union groups are doing, but this sure seems to have brought the pilots together:D
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Based on the last 10-Q, it looks like a 5% across-the-board wage/benefit reduction would be worth $5.43M per quarter.
But again, PNCL is already operationally profitable...and that includes the impact of wages/benefits. |
Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
(Post 1105404)
Many of you are concerned about the possibility of negotiating concessions to our current agreement now, only to enter bankruptcy in the near future. The MEC and the Negotiating committee shares your concerns and is taking steps to allow for proactive engagement to avoid bankruptcy, while protecting our position should the company file.
Just look at the pilots of Comair, Frontier, and American - they voted for concessions to stay out of bankruptcy, and it worked out great!!! Vote YES with confidence that nothing bad can happen. Your YES vote means ALPA is takin' it back! |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1105846)
Based on the last 10-Q, it looks like a 5% across-the-board wage/benefit reduction would be worth $5.43M per quarter.
But again, PNCL is already operationally profitable...and that includes the impact of wages/benefits. |
Who should I believe? Shy or the union? oh the decisions..... Of course shy will not be on this thread for a week and respond. He does that whenever proven wrong and hopes it will blow over.... |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1105846)
Based on the last 10-Q, it looks like a 5% across-the-board wage/benefit reduction would be worth $5.43M per quarter.
But again, PNCL is already operationally profitable...and that includes the impact of wages/benefits. I've been on a four month paid vacation courtesy of Pinnacle. Just going off the guarantee that I've been paid will cover 30 pilots' worth of concessions. This inefficient use of our resources what is making us unprofitable, not our hourly wages. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1106107)
No, I'll respond. I am wrong, the assumption was based on the fact that any union voting issues are standard 3 week duration for votes. Management wants these cuts effective Jan 1st, which means we have 9 days to get a vote created and tallied. I can't even begin to imagine how many pilots are already out on vacation or will be unavailable to vote during the busy Christmas and New Years period. This is a surprising step, but a good one indeed. Honestly, I wasn't expecting that the MEC would vote no to concessions. Now it is in our hands. Our big problem will be the lack of time to get the vote in.
The company is the one asking, not telling. Funny how a year ago the company shut down negotiations for the JCBA because of the holiday and now that are willing to work through it. |
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