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Laxrox43 12-20-2011 05:07 AM

"TAKE IT BACK" - Just a fun song by our friend Jimmy Buffett to lighten up the mood...

Jimmy Buffett-Take It Back -Live- Jan 87 - YouTube

PCLCREW 12-20-2011 05:47 AM

Im starting to think SM knows we will give him nothing and in turn will blame the whole BK on the pilots.
This thing is looking like another sham BK so Delta can start pulling 50 seaters. Then they will blame the company's demise and furloughs on us also.

Imapilot2 12-20-2011 05:49 AM

Come on guys they only want 5 %!! They promise if you do that they wont ask the judge to take more!? 5% thats it, they pinky promise.

Colgan Pilot 12-20-2011 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1104804)
Im starting to think SM knows we will give him nothing and in turn will blame the whole BK on the pilots.

It does seem that way from how he worded it doesnt it?

PurdueFlyer 12-20-2011 05:57 AM

Pinnacle doesn't need to declare bankruptcy. They are going through a bunch of ONE time costs associated with this mega merger. Notably training AND millions in bonuses paid to departing executives.

Is your airline operationally profitable? Yes I believe it is. What has happened is Pinnacle isn't making as much profits as it has in the past and that will upset Wall Street since they always want increasing profits. The only way increasing profits will happen for a regional now is through cutting costs and the only real easily controllable cost is labor. They can try and renegotiate some leases but labor is and always has been the easiest target.

Don't give in to them because in two maybe three quarters time Pinnacle will be net profitable again regardless of your concessions. You just spent 10 years fighting for this contract, don't roll over now.

Every merger goes through these one time costs of integration. Delta/Northwest did and United/Continental is right now. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on these one time costs the difference for a company like United is that they are also generating more revenue which they can point out to Wall Street and say, "Yes our costs are high right now due to the merger expenses but our revenues have also grown."

Pinnacle doesn't have that luxury since it's revenues come from FFD contracts. There is no growth opportunity outside of securing more flying.

Sean Menke is trying to protect his job right now but in reality your company will be fine with in a year after the merger sorts itself out. Let Menke sweat it out with Wall Street, don't take money out of your pockets to make his job easier. Make him earn the ridiculous bonus he will likely reward himself when this is all done with.

WHACKMASTER 12-20-2011 06:11 AM

Attention Pinnacle pilots:

It's probably safe to say that the line pilots are a resounding "not only no, but hell ****ing no!" on the topic of pay cuts, BUT MAKE SURE YOU LET YOUR MEC KNOW THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL AND THAT YOU WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE SHOULD THEY NOT CARRY OUT YOUR WISHES. Trust me boys and girls. The only people that can screw this up for you is your own leadership.

Al Czervik 12-20-2011 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1104679)
I've gotta ask about your avatar. Why on God's green earth is there ever any reason to brake that hard in MEM???

Last leg. full boat. Parking A13. 18R. Tight commute. M6

B200 Hawk 12-20-2011 06:59 AM

Would redoing 11-09 make too much sense for the company to bother doing it?

Saabs 12-20-2011 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer (Post 1104545)
I'd tell you to go back to your own board, but your own kind called you out and you must've got your feelings hurt.

To Saabs, he's one of those management line pilots at UPS so he's just one step away from a scab.

But seriously, you don't work here and you're always coming on and talking smack so I'm gonna ask you to kindly p!$$ off!

Lol at this guy.

If u can get me hired at ups please do so I can leave this place

RJtrashPilot 12-20-2011 07:26 AM

Ask any Comair pilot, former or current, where a pay freeze and concessionary contract a year later got them.

If you give at all, they'll just keep coming back for more. It'll never be enough, so you might as well keep what you have because they're still demanding cuts from Comair guys.


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