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unit monster 02-23-2012 08:00 AM

This isn't PBS related, but where can I get a copy of the most recent XJT seniority list? It doesn't appear to be available to the ASA side, can I get a PM?

xjtguy 02-23-2012 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by selcal (Post 1139869)
Alright, I'll start with sick time. We accrue sick time between 2.75-3.5 hrs/month depending on your longevity. Yes it sucks. It takes 10 years to reach the 3.5 hrs/month level.

XJT sick time accrual is not a graduated system. 5 hours a month up to 640 hour cap. We also have an occupational injury bank as well.


Originally Posted by selcal (Post 1139869)
401k
1yr - 20% of the first 6%
2yr - 30% of the first 6%
3yr - 40% of the first 6%
4-6yrs - 50% of the first 6 %
7-10yrs - 75% of the first 6%
10+ - 75% of the first 8%

We have the option of a ROTH 401k or regular as well as a self directed brokerage acct where you can buy several funds/ETF's not offered on the regular JP Morgan acct.

Years 1-4 - 100% up to 4%
Years 5-9 - 100% up to 5%
10+ 100% up to 6%
Fully vested at 5 years of service.

XJT also have a defined contribution plan;

Years 1-4 2.5%
Years 5-9 4%
Years 10-14 5%
Years 15-19 5.5%
Years 20+ 6%
Fully vested at 5 years of service.

Roth option exists for XJT as well.


Originally Posted by selcal (Post 1139869)
Red Arrow Days
Red arrow days are never mentioned in the contract. They were dreamed up by the company after the contract to signify when a day was 'below reserve staffing'. Unfortunately there is no staffing formula so the company abused it and basically made almost every day red arrow. The union supposedly grieved it, however there has been no outcome to date. The red arrows have now mysteriously disappeared but the day can still come back as below staffing.

I'll do the rest when I get more time.

XJT has a min reserve staffing level also. However, there is what's called "Bad day/Worse day" trade capability. It exists for both line holders and reserve pilots.

Real simple explanation; Say you have a day trip on Monday and have Tuesday off, but would prefer to work Tuesday instead. Monday is showing -1 pilots on reserve, but Tuesday is showing -3 pilots on reserve. The trade will go through because you are lessening reserve coverage on the "worse day". It also works for multi day trips. In the above example, say a 4 day was Mon-Thrs, but you want to shift to a Tue-Fri trip, same thing. As long as Friday has MORE negative reserve coverage than Monday, it'll move the trip. A reserve pilot can use it to move their days off around, with certain restrictions of course. Can't create a single reserve day, etc.

ja2c 02-23-2012 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1140088)
Real simple explanation; Say you have a day trip on Monday and have Tuesday off, but would prefer to work Tuesday instead. Monday is showing -1 pilots on reserve, but Tuesday is showing -3 pilots on reserve. The trade will go through because you are lessening reserve coverage on the "worse day". It also works for multi day trips. In the above example, say a 4 day was Mon-Thrs, but you want to shift to a Tue-Fri trip, same thing. As long as Friday has MORE negative reserve coverage than Monday, it'll move the trip. A reserve pilot can use it to move their days off around, with certain restrictions of course. Can't create a single reserve day, etc.

Hopefully this stays in a joint contract. This doesn't happen happen on the asa side. In your examples it would be declined. Common sense? We don't use that over here.

JetBlast77 02-24-2012 04:40 PM

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Speed Pilot 02-24-2012 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1140751)
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I'm embarrassed to work with you dude. The last thing we need is to US Air this merger with tools like you trying to breed hate between the two pilot groups. You must be a management scumbag.

JetBlast77 02-24-2012 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Speed Pilot (Post 1140776)
I'm embarrassed to work with you dude. The last thing we need is to US Air this merger with tools like you trying to breed hate between the two pilot groups. You must be a management scumbag.

Youre absolutely right. Sometimes emotions can get the better of people. We should be trying to work together not drive each other further apart. I apologize.

Speed Pilot 02-24-2012 06:20 PM

It's cool. Emotions are going to get high. We just gotta do what we can to not keep pushing things over the edge. As big of a group as we are we have the opportunity to bring a lot of leverage to the table against management if we all stick together. Status quo will change for both groups. Change doesn't necessarily mean something bad. If we're together we can make sure the change that comes is good.

TopNotch 02-24-2012 07:17 PM

The two groups really need to quit the trash talk. I'm ready to drop PBS, and I hope XJT can let go of line bidding.

We need to come together as a group and put something together that's better than what we both already have.

If we do not come together, two things are possible.
1. Groups will never merge
2. Arbitration- third party will give us an industry standard, which is worse then either one of us already have.

On the ASA side things that I think need work-
-Health insurance
-retirement (XJT sounds great!)
-reserve system (everyday off should be a GDO)
-reserve system (no long call/short call conversions)
-award system (20th line award/27th RSV award is way too late)
-pairing generation (pilot or third party built)
-pay? (We are already close to equal, I think more attention on QOL, ASA management does not appreciate us, QOL and moral is in the toilet. XJT guys, I hope you realize what's coming your way. We need better QOL on paper and locked into the contract)

Nevets 02-24-2012 07:56 PM

There will be no arbitration for the JCBA! ASA guys, I don't know who told you that and why, but stop. It's false.

PeezDog 02-25-2012 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1140821)
There will be no arbitration for the JCBA! ASA guys, I don't know who told you that and why, but stop. It's false.

If we don't come to an agreement, isn't that what happens?


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