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Al Czervik 03-03-2012 11:42 AM

ASA can have ATL. Kudos to the union.

The Juice 03-03-2012 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1145196)
So most likely the planes will end up in JFK or DTW after all? I have heard that rumor for awhile now...

I hope that we can keep those planes. If the ATL 900's are losing money, they would continue to lose money regardless if they fly in ATL, JFK, DTW etc.. The CPA needs to be reworked to make those planes profitable, just like with the Qs. If it can be reworked, the airplanes will be sent back.

tomgoodman 03-03-2012 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 1144987)
No negotiations have taken place this week because the company has made a permanent 5% wage cut a precondition to further discussions.

As stated, that sounds like a refusal to bargain in good faith, and it could be ruled an unfair labor practice. They can be hard-nosed about a demand, but I don't think they can refuse to continue negotiating. :confused:

Fly782 03-03-2012 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1145221)
I hope that we can keep those planes. If the ATL 900's are losing money, they would continue to lose money regardless if they fly in ATL, JFK, DTW etc.. The CPA needs to be reworked to make those planes profitable, just like with the Qs. If it can be reworked, the airplanes will be sent back.

Very true, I am curious if they could be flown under the XJ contract?

Zoomie 03-03-2012 12:13 PM

Shut em down boys and girls. If a company can't make a profit based on the slumlord rates you're already making, there's no point working for them.

Plus, you're already subsidizing the operation quite a bit. Actually, mainline is even subsidizing the operation at their rates.

Maybe if a few of these regional carriers are sent to the furnace, the mainline won't have much of an option to outsource anymore and the regional pilots will get picked up on the seniority list that you want.

I really hope these regionals have a hard time filling seats once age 65 finally kicks in come December.

Fly782 03-03-2012 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 1145228)
Shut em down boys and girls. If a company can't make a profit based on the slumlord rates you're already making, there's no point working for them.

Plus, you're already subsidizing the operation quite a bit. Actually, mainline is even subsidizing the operation at their rates.

Maybe if a few of these regional carriers are sent to the furnace, the mainline won't have much of an option to outsource anymore and the regional pilots will get picked up on the seniority list that you want.

I really hope these regionals have a hard time filling seats once age 65 finally kicks in come December.

Dude we get the point, your probably about the 1000th person to come out of left field with this crap and make multiple copy and paste posts. Where do you work? Maybe you should shut your own place down to help the cause...Any who back to the circus

Airsupport 03-03-2012 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by shamrok (Post 1145195)
Heard ASA is going to be taking over Pinnacles 900 routes....... just what I heard from someone at ASA. I can see it happening. Pref bid coming out end of April will show this.

We already know our april flying hours and destinations. Also our 900 flying out of atlanta isn't "normal" flying. From class 2 nav to special ops procedures from the faa for our over water ops it would be hard for someone to take that flying over quickly unless they were already certified for those sorts of ops. We were able to get all the certifications delta wanted us to get so we could fly more efficient routes to the international destinations our 900's go out of atlanta.

not saying change couldn't come. the flying could be flown out of jfk or detroit and the flights could transition through atlanta.

MunkyButtr 03-03-2012 12:57 PM

If this is how Menke and his boys are acting with us I can only imagine how childish they're being with Unical. Thing is, I'm not sure if Unical cares if we fly them or not. Im sure GoJet would be all over it.

MD11 03-03-2012 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 1145228)
Shut em down boys and girls. If a company can't make a profit based on the slumlord rates you're already making, there's no point working for them.

Plus, you're already subsidizing the operation quite a bit. Actually, mainline is even subsidizing the operation at their rates.

Maybe if a few of these regional carriers are sent to the furnace, the mainline won't have much of an option to outsource anymore and the regional pilots will get picked up on the seniority list that you want.

I really hope these regionals have a hard time filling seats once age 65 finally kicks in come December.

Agree 100 percent.

flysooner9 03-03-2012 01:15 PM

wish Eagles union stood up for the pilots half this much.


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