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Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1145231)

Dude we get the point, your probably about the 1000th person to come out of left field with this crap and make multiple copy and paste posts. Where do you work? Maybe you should shut your own place down to help the cause...Any who back to the circus

Heck,

Maybe I should change my tune? What is your minimum?

Would you PAY the airline for the chance to work there?

Do you work at pinnacle?

As for the multiple posts, I had 2 windows open at once and posted on the wrong thread(was meant for this one), so I deleted the one on the other thread. It was only up for maybe 20 seconds b4 I deleted it, so...

My point is it doesn't matter what pay cut you take, you're basically working for free at pinnacle already. Paycuts won't save pinnacle.

All the other regionals will be killing for pilots within a year or two. If you and other regional pilots hold out IMO, you can either get hired at another regional with a zippy upgrade to CA, or get hired at DL/UA/SWA. You can't help a regional airline with a broken business model.

Actually I have the same opinion for the guys at AA. Their pilot costs are basically industry neutral at this point, even with their pensions. In about a year, they will be at the bottom of the industry even without cuts, so there's no point in concessions there either.

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Originally Posted by shamrok (Post 1145195)

Heard ASA is going to be taking over Pinnacles 900 routes....... just what I heard from someone at ASA. I can see it happening. Pref bid coming out end of April will show this.

Routes or Airplanes?
900s going to other 9E bases would probably save money with consolidation of staff and other economies of scale ETC
This would mean Delta is working with 9E, something that is contrary to everything that has been said previously.

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Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1145366)

Wish I knew, I am assuming routes. Again, there are many rumors out there and things should start to move along now. Its just pathetic the way management has gone about this whole situation. Glad the union has stood its ground, hold the line!

So the company says they will not continue negotiations about the 5% pay cut unless we accept the 5% pay cut. If we take the 5% pay cut, what is there to negotiate?

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So the company says they will not continue negotiations about the 5% pay cut unless we accept the 5% pay cut. If we take the 5% pay cut, what is there to negotiate?

I want a 6% pay raise as a pre condition to the 5% pay cut negotiations.

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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1145394)

I want a 6% pay raise as a pre condition to the 5% pay cut negotiations.

They would be dumb enough to agree to that then months later go "waait uh whuuut?"

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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1145394)

I want a 6% pay raise as a pre condition to the 5% pay cut negotiations.

Can I get an AMEN!

I herd the 900 rumor as well. Just the version I herd went like this. Delta's Skywest agreement states that for every 900 they get Delta can park ~2 200s. Delta wants out of 200s. PNCL set it up to loose money on the ATL 900s giving them an easy out. The ATL 900s go to ASA who already has all the authorizations to fly them but parks 40 200s. PNCL in return gets a sweet 200 contract with an acquisition of XJ. Hence the drama mgmt is putting through was decided years ago in an ATL board room and really no need for pilot pay cuts.
That's the rumor I herd, who knows...

So if Pinnacle becomes an all 200 fleet, how many furloughs?

No just the ATL 900, the MSA 900 are fine