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Fly782 03-04-2012 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by seahawker01 (Post 1145495)
I herd the 900 rumor as well. Just the version I herd went like this. Delta's Skywest agreement states that for every 900 they get Delta can park ~2 200s. Delta wants out of 200s. PNCL set it up to loose money on the ATL 900s giving them an easy out. The ATL 900s go to ASA who already has all the authorizations to fly them but parks 40 200s. PNCL in return gets a sweet 200 contract with an acquisition of XJ. Hence the drama mgmt is putting through was decided years ago in an ATL board room and really no need for pilot pay cuts.
That's the rumor I herd, who knows...

So were selling those planes if thats the case? Delta doesnt own them...

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-04-2012 05:36 AM

I saw another thread that colgan is canceling classes. I saw us airways saabs parked at the mx hangers in DTW today. About 8 of them were parked. Why are colgan saabs on the ramp at DTW?

BS in proflight 03-04-2012 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1145543)
I saw another thread that colgan is canceling classes. I saw us airways saabs parked at the mx hangers in DTW today. About 8 of them were parked. Why are colgan saabs on the ramp at DTW?

I know a guy that is supposed to have an interview coming up in MEM for Pinnacle soon. I'll have to ask him if he's still going or if its cancelled. I think those "US Airways" saabs are actually Mesaba Saabs that where doing flying for Airways out of LGA. That flying came to an end around Xmas time I believe. I haven't flown out of DTW much lately but I would have thought those Saabs where gone by now. Maybe they are Colgan Saabs?? I know they were looking for pilots to fly the Mesaba Saabs to Bangor Maine at least a month ago. Probably are Colgan Saabs.

BS in proflight 03-04-2012 05:56 AM

Kudos to the Union for saying no to permanent pay cuts. Can't wait to see how this all plays out. What was the time line for pay cuts anyway?? I thought management wanted them imposed by January sometime. Well that date has come and gone. You would think if management was true to their word about trying to avoid bankruptcy and if we are hurting that bad they would just try to work with the union on getting a pay cut through no matter the cost (meet in the middle with the union i.e. snap backs and maybe profit sharing). Like a lot of others I do believe this is heading down the road of bankruptcy and has been since the beginning. Makes you wonder how long the script has been written in advance and now they are just following it to a T. So whats the next big date that we are waiting for?? I think its the United flying deadline which is April 2nd I believe. If United says no to a long term viable contract and walks away or if Pinnacle thinks they can't make money on the flying and walks away then the crap will roll down hill pretty quick and who knows what Delta has planned for the 50 seaters.

mooney 03-04-2012 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1145383)
So the company says they will not continue negotiations about the 5% pay cut unless we accept the 5% pay cut. If we take the 5% pay cut, what is there to negotiate?

exactly...just goes to show what a sham this whole thing is and how incompetent the management really is. "You will take this 5% pay cut. I don't care if you can save us the equivalent of 10% of your pay on training and other areas we will not talk about you saving us even more money until you give up your pay!!" Put the crack pipe down children....

Fly782 03-04-2012 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1145543)
I saw another thread that colgan is canceling classes. I saw us airways saabs parked at the mx hangers in DTW today. About 8 of them were parked. Why are colgan saabs on the ramp at DTW?

Those are Mesabas, Colgan only has about 4 in Airways colors and they are obligated to the Bos EAS routes.

Avroman 03-04-2012 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1145543)
I saw another thread that colgan is canceling classes. I saw us airways saabs parked at the mx hangers in DTW today. About 8 of them were parked. Why are colgan saabs on the ramp at DTW?

Those Saabs were Mesaba Saabs used in the LGA ops. Look closer and you will see they are all XJ tail numbers. That's the last of the Mesaba Saabs waiting for thier trip to BGR for return to Saab.
But the Colgan Saabs are soon to go too because of the expensive avionics upgrades that will be needed next year.

200Driver 03-04-2012 08:21 AM

All we can do is hold the line...hopefully UAL, Delta and a few others will work with us, if not then so be it. I am just really happy to see us as a pilot group and ALPA not give in to more management B***Sh**!

If you 900 guys get any information on what they are doing with those aircraft let me know, I am curious to see how they are gonna play that card and deal with that situation.

belliott 03-04-2012 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1145615)
Those Saabs were Mesaba Saabs used in the LGA ops. Look closer and you will see they are all XJ tail numbers. That's the last of the Mesaba Saabs waiting for thier trip to BGR for return to Saab.
But the Colgan Saabs are soon to go too because of the expensive avionics upgrades that will be needed next year.

Avionics upgrade? Never heard that one... We've done ok operating /A and I figure we will continue to go that route until they get rid of the airframes.

anthony210 03-04-2012 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by belliott (Post 1145679)
Avionics upgrade? Never heard that one... We've done ok operating /A and I figure we will continue to go that route until they get rid of the airframes.

Someone posted awhile back that the EFIS tubes on the Saab are no longer being supported as of next year. Which would mean that the avionics would need to be upgraded as soon as we run out of spare parts.

Whether that is true or not I have no idea.


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