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belliott 03-05-2012 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1146439)
I wonder if the PDA cancellation is an indicator of anything?

When did they announce its cancellation?

ysslah 03-05-2012 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1146412)
King Air/1900 is EFIS 84 Saab 340 and I think the EMB 120 is the EFIS 86 I believe. Highly doubt there will be no more support for the EFIS 86. If they do decide to drop the support someone else will pick up the slack in the private market and make a profit on it. The only thing that really fails on these are the CRT tubes and the associated power supplies for them. CRT may become harder to come by but a retrofit will hardly cost 2 million an airplane. Take a look at Sandel's retrofits and you will see that it will hardly cost a quarter of that much.

Yup. I know someone works at Rockwell Collins headquarters. They do make more money from customer service than actually selling new avionics according to her. I would be very surprised if they dropped customer support for a system that wide spread.

Cruz5350 03-05-2012 07:32 PM

I dealt with Rockwell Collins on a daily basis in a past life and they sure do make a ton. Plus I don't think it would be hard for them to come up with a retrofit that is cost effective if they really wanted to.

Fly782 03-05-2012 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by belliott (Post 1146447)
When did they announce its cancellation?

Read and Sign

belliott 03-05-2012 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1146458)
Read and Sign

Huh... I just thought it was put on hold... they haven't asked for the pda's back yet... no sweat off my back.

squaretail 03-05-2012 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by belliott (Post 1146422)
I was just trying to establish the poin that if they discontinue support of one model they will probably discontinue all others which just doesn't make sense to me.... but I am up for hearing other opinions.

Typically when a manufacturer "discontinues" support you translate that into "paid" support... in other words, no free tech work. When Hawker Beech discontinued supporting the Diamond 1A... just meant you had to pay for stuff that was free before. So, you may have heard correctly and Collins may charge for support. Just their way of saying 86 is a dinosaur.

Fly782 03-05-2012 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by belliott (Post 1146465)
Huh... I just thought it was put on hold... they haven't asked for the pda's back yet... no sweat off my back.

Read it again, Things that make you go hmmmmm

DeltaPaySoon 03-05-2012 09:06 PM

So I can conclude that most of you feel that there is a good chance that 9E won't have any aircraft based in ATL in the future?

I'm wondering because we are seriously considering moving there soon.

tom14cat14 03-05-2012 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon (Post 1146499)
So I can conclude that most of you feel that there is a good chance that 9E won't have any aircraft based in ATL in the future?

I'm wondering because we are seriously considering moving there soon.

Dont base your plans on what Forum posters think might happen. Just my 2 cents. Also not saying that you are only going off of what is said here.

FlyJSH 03-06-2012 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 1146381)
But are the EFIS tubes in the 1900s, King Airs, and 737s the same model number of what's in the Saab? Not sure if it adds up either...not sure why Collins wouldn't want to still support a product that could potentially make them $$$ ? But then again, maybe it doesn't make financial "cents" for them to support it? Just spit balling...


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1146412)
King Air/1900 is EFIS 84 Saab 340 and I think the EMB 120 is the EFIS 86 I believe. Highly doubt there will be no more support for the EFIS 86. If they do decide to drop the support someone else will pick up the slack in the private market and make a profit on it. The only thing that really fails on these are the CRT tubes and the associated power supplies for them. CRT may become harder to come by but a retrofit will hardly cost 2 million an airplane. Take a look at Sandel's retrofits and you will see that it will hardly cost a quarter of that much.

IF the 340 and 120 have the same EFIS and they are the only ones, consider this...

(per Wikipedia) There are some 530 Saabs and Brasillias total. Assuming an EFIS lifespan of, say, five years, and two per plane, that means about 210 replaced each year. Is that enough to sustain support and manufacturing? Only Collins would know, but it does seem to be a pretty small number to me.

In the end, I'll believe they are gone when I get displaced.


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