Express Jet Question
05-08-2012 | 04:19 AM
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Don't underestimate the financial bump having a relief line can give you. I've averaged about $800-$1,000 extra a month on first year pay since I got a relief line about six months back. No matter how crappy a line might be when you first get it, you can always trade it to suit you and vastly improve it, particularly if you live in base. Until two weeks ago I hadn't done a single four day trip in three months and I averaged 106 hours of pay a month. I live in base so I look to swap for day trips, two days and three days.
Anyway, it seems that in a few months we'll be using a new system for phase II (at least) anyway.
05-08-2012 | 04:23 AM
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That being said I have no idea if it's as easy now as it was a few months back to make that base trade happen.
05-08-2012 | 05:16 AM
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.Seriously, you get two checks of about $740 to cover your entire training duration. It's per diem, not pay, so shouldn't be taxable, but that's it. Uniform is payroll deducted over time ($25 per pay period after training is over). Most items are deductible, but luggage isn't, and can cost upwards of $400 for leather briefcase and metal roller bag, though you are not required to get these. Some people opt for cheaper options. Don't buy the hat unless your girlfriend thinks you look hot in it. They put you in a hotel with a roommate assigned when you show up. Hopefully, you like him (or her, if you are a girl).
Thankfully I had some other sources of income to get me through training.
You will "bid" for your base in seniority order (age) in your class, and it's based on what the company needs at the moment. If you really want a particular place, you can probably trade there pretty soon if you don't get it. Newark and Chicago tend to be more junior. Beware what you wish for - everyone is told how houston is the best and newark sucks, but you'll sit on short call reserve in Houston for a LONG time but I almost had a relief line in Newark in my second full month on reserve. Basically, if you are going to live in base bid where you want to live. If you are going to commute, consider other factors.
What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
05-08-2012 | 05:18 AM
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.Seriously, you get two checks of about $740 to cover your entire training duration. It's per diem, not pay, so shouldn't be taxable, but that's it. Uniform is payroll deducted over time ($25 per pay period after training is over). Most items are deductible, but luggage isn't, and can cost upwards of $400 for leather briefcase and metal roller bag, though you are not required to get these. Some people opt for cheaper options. Don't buy the hat unless your girlfriend thinks you look hot in it. They put you in a hotel with a roommate assigned when you show up. Hopefully, you like him (or her, if you are a girl).
Thankfully I had some other sources of income to get me through training.
You will "bid" for your base in seniority order (age) in your class, and it's based on what the company needs at the moment. If you really want a particular place, you can probably trade there pretty soon if you don't get it. Newark and Chicago tend to be more junior. Beware what you wish for - everyone is told how houston is the best and newark sucks, but you'll sit on short call reserve in Houston for a LONG time but I almost had a relief line in Newark in my second full month on reserve. Basically, if you are going to live in base bid where you want to live. If you are going to commute, consider other factors.
05-08-2012 | 05:35 AM
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What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
Labor Law? You're getting free training. A company lawyer just has to point to the thousands of corporate guys that pay for their training at Flight Safety just to interview. The $1400 per diem for 5 weeks and $15,000 worth of training for free will look industry leading in front of the judge. I Guess they should reimburse you for your Private - ATP too?
05-08-2012 | 05:43 AM
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What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
05-08-2012 | 05:48 AM
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What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
What is wrong with you sheeple?
Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws.
There have been times in the past where not only did you not get paid during training, you PAID for the training. Apparently, that wasn't illegal either. You are being taught a very expensive skill, entirely at the company's expense, given a free room plus per diem, and not (unlike other regionals) asked to sign any kind of contract.
The choice to embark on that journey is entirely voluntary, and the terms are clear in advance. It's not indentured servitude.
And we are not doing any work. We are doing nothing productive for the company other than learning a skill and gaining qualifications.
Now, you look up and get back to me with exactly what FSLA law they are violating, specifically, and then maybe I'll look into organizing the "sheeple" and making a fuss over it.
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