Take a few minutes to reread drrythm's post. Where does he specifically say he has a clue about negotiations? His entire post was a positive message. "all I can say is that I hope the two pilot groups can work together and take the best from each contract and get it (or better) for the new CBA." It had nothing to do with PBS or the ASA MEC. He just wants everyone to join ideas to get the best combined contract possible, and to not get at each others throats over details. Like you said, lets wait for the JCBA and vote it down if it's a POS. Let your union work for you, what good does it do you to come on here and accuse a coworker of not knowing how to land the airplane correctly?

Stay classy goaround, I'll hear you tomorrow on 121.5 telling everyone they're "on guard"

 

Haha thank you for proving my point

 

and thank you for YOUR wonderful contribution.

 

lol ahhahahahahaha good one ! Kudos Sir

goaround I bet your IAH based

 

I'm sure I'll learn to land the airplane sometime soon, but that would mean I'd have to put my Highlights for Kids magazine down first.

Have you ever read one of those? SO much fun!

 

I understand your position and your bitterness towards the process, but since you've decided to bring flying skill into the argument I've got $100 that says I can land this plane, or any other, better than you. I'm not 22 and this isn't my first jet - I've got other type ratings, including one single pilot in a twin turbine aircraft. You ever flown a jet single pilot? Be careful with your assumptions big fella .

 

Fair enough, then show us all your mature, experienced side by either a) recognizing that clearly there are three agendas at play here. As mentioned earlier each leadership is looking out for their own, so utopia might be outside the realms of reality. b) An integration of this magnitude will take time, and will most likely go to arbitration. When it's all said and done if the unions did their job right; everyone will be unhappy in some shape or another. You're probably not going to see ATL for a few of years fences not withstanding.

There is no happy holding hands on this one, it's two separate cultures. One ****ed off and ready to get it done for their constituents, and one brained washed into thinking that it's their way or the highway, not taking into account that the odds are heavily against them.

About your landing challenge, no worries I'll figure out who you are (shouldn't be to hard at this point) and get on your pairing, so you can demonstrate your amazing skills landing the 145. Looking forward to it.

 

Hey pot have you met kettle?

 

Nah, shouldn't be too hard to figure out who I am. Actually I think it would be fun, and I bet we'd even have some laughs over a few beers afterwards. Loser buys .

My post was simply about what I hope will happen. I already know it's naive to think the two pilot groups and MEC's will all get along, agree on everything, and present a unified front to management. I also know it's unreasonable to think that the process will be fast or entirely satisfactory in its outcome.

That being said, my point was simply that being an Atlanta native, and having good friends at ASA, that I HOPE we can reach an amicable resolution as soon as possible. It's also that I understand how such a diverse group of people, at such different points in their careers, all with differing family situations and goals, are inevitably going to argue as they try and jockey for what they perceive to be best for their future.

I've spent my time on the pipe and read reams of posts on PBS vs line bidding and differences in work rules and contracts ad nauseam. At some point I just want to relax, enjoy the flying for now to the extent I can, and wait and see what is presented to us. Again, hopefully sooner rather than later, and hopefully a significant improvement from what we have now on both sides.

Send me a PM - we'll work on the flying thing. I've got a relief line in May for the first time, so I'm kinda excited about that small step up. Of course, that's also the first month where senior short call could get all four weekends as three days off. The question is, better to have a "senior" short call line with 4 three-day weekends off or a "junior" relief line and gamble with what the goofballs in scheduling will assign you?

 

Never gamble with scheduling, take the relief line and enjoy controlling your life. You'll be able to trip trade, and know what your working for starters. All weekend-off reserve line is like a politician's promise!

My frustration is not entirely directed at you, but rather the frame of mind that these guys are going to play nice. When I say these guys I mean the MEC's and the company, not the pilot groups. I have no ill will towards the ASA pilot group, I do think that they've been a bit institutionalized, but that's not their fault, but rather their elected representatives, who've managed to convince them that it's the job of the pilot to keep the airline profitable and competitive.