Express Jet Question
04-22-2012 | 08:30 AM
#211
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Its actually funny how fired up you ASA guys get when we tell you about our schedules. You think we're not being honest and I honestly don't care. When I tell you I haven't worked a single weekend I haven't wanted to in 6 years, I really don't care if you don't believe me. If you ask me about our schedules I'm going to be honest with you. If you thinking I'm lying because your schedules are so bad then w/e. I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again: The people that work weekends are people that want to and reserves. MOST reserve lines are over the weekends. Relief line holders get mostly weekend trips. If you decide to be nasty toward us instead of accepting the good situation we have with scheduling and trying to adopt it on your own, then theres nothing I can do about it. The fact is, we get our schedules about 10 days into the previous month, we have the opportunity to improve it to our liking, and we have tons of open time to use throughout the month to trade into should our schedules at home change. Our reserve rules are leaps and bounds better than yours, our contract is way better, and guess what. The latest numbers show our crews cost less per hour and our schedules are way more efficient. Thats right, you read that right. The mighty ExpressJet that you guys have been programed to think is too expensive and causing the company to lose money is actually cheaper than the almighty ASA. Get over it and start trying to work toward a better situation for yourselves. This crap from you guys is really starting to get annoying.
04-22-2012 | 09:32 AM
#212
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From: e190
Blanket statements like this are like saying apples cost less than oranges. There are too many factors involved. I think both sides are pretty close; some aspects when XJet is cheaper and some where ASA is. But to simply say one is flat out cheaper than the other is blatantly false.
04-22-2012 | 11:10 AM
#213
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We are in this together. i'm not going to vote yes on anything that isn't better then what we both currently have. I'm a mid pack fo and average 17 days off and over 90 hours. I work the odd weekend but that is just so I can have long stretches of days off. I sincerely believe that PBS in it's current form will harm my ability to do this.
04-22-2012 | 04:25 PM
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You come off as quite the ego maniac. I looked back a few pages and I don't see any ASA guys toting how great our scheduling is, yet you continue to post on every page about how much better your contract is.
We. Understand. You.
Just one last time: PBS ended up much better than our previous line bidding in many ways. Most people I fly with love it. That said, everyone I fly with is willing to use whichever scheduling method gets the best results.
Having Express Jet guys continually lecture us and cram how great XJT operations is down our throat gets tiring and is now building resentment.
We. Understand. You.
Just one last time: PBS ended up much better than our previous line bidding in many ways. Most people I fly with love it. That said, everyone I fly with is willing to use whichever scheduling method gets the best results.
Having Express Jet guys continually lecture us and cram how great XJT operations is down our throat gets tiring and is now building resentment.
I've got a number of good friends on the CRJ side as well, and all I can say is that I hope the two pilot groups can work together and take the best from each contract and get it (or better) for the new CBA. Furthermore, I hope it happens sooner rather than later, so I can at some point at least hope I can bid to the CRJ side in Atlanta.
I know it's easy for everyone to get riled up about the details of our contracts - everyone has a lot at stake, and the people that have been at both companies a lot longer than I have have much invested and much on the line. Let's all give each other some latitude and respect each other's situations. I think we are better off unified than at each other's throats over details. Let's just see what happens and discuss / vote when the time comes. Hopefully we will have good reason to be happy then.
04-22-2012 | 04:43 PM
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I'm on the ERJ side and am fairly new - still in my first year. I also commute from Atlanta, and would have jumped at the bit to be on the ASA side. I'm only sorry the Delta contract has been so bad for ya'll - hopefully new and better things are coming soon.
I've got a number of good friends on the CRJ side as well, and all I can say is that I hope the two pilot groups can work together and take the best from each contract and get it (or better) for the new CBA. Furthermore, I hope it happens sooner rather than later, so I can at some point at least hope I can bid to the CRJ side in Atlanta.
I know it's easy for everyone to get riled up about the details of our contracts - everyone has a lot at stake, and the people that have been at both companies a lot longer than I have have much invested and much on the line. Let's all give each other some latitude and respect each other's situations. I think we are better off unified than at each other's throats over details. Let's just see what happens and discuss / vote when the time comes. Hopefully we will have good reason to be happy then.
I've got a number of good friends on the CRJ side as well, and all I can say is that I hope the two pilot groups can work together and take the best from each contract and get it (or better) for the new CBA. Furthermore, I hope it happens sooner rather than later, so I can at some point at least hope I can bid to the CRJ side in Atlanta.
I know it's easy for everyone to get riled up about the details of our contracts - everyone has a lot at stake, and the people that have been at both companies a lot longer than I have have much invested and much on the line. Let's all give each other some latitude and respect each other's situations. I think we are better off unified than at each other's throats over details. Let's just see what happens and discuss / vote when the time comes. Hopefully we will have good reason to be happy then.
04-22-2012 | 05:56 PM
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From: ERJ145 Captain
I'm on the ERJ side and am fairly new - still in my first year.
Having been through 3 of them including, and a merger in my previous life I can tell you that it's going to go anything but smooth at this point.
It is common knowledge that the ASA MEC is refusing to talk to our MEC because we will not consider that piece of **** bidding system, put simply it will not work for the combined company. The company is actively mostly talking to the XJT MEC, because the ASA MEC are acting like children. They know that it has to work for both, but are refusing to compromise. So **** them, we got the votes to pass this thing if it's sweet enough, and if we see it in the next six months.
Now SLI, it's a different story, with any luck it will be at least 2-3 years before we see a joint list. This is the reality of it all, now we can all go back to speculating on the 135's and future growth of the ERJ side.
04-22-2012 | 06:18 PM
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Well that explains I few things. I appreciate your fantasy on account of the fact that you probably don't know how to land the airplane yet, let alone understand how negotiations work.
Having been through 3 of them including, and a merger in my previous life I can tell you that it's going to go anything but smooth at this point.
It is common knowledge that the ASA MEC is refusing to talk to our MEC because we will not consider that piece of **** bidding system, put simply it will not work for the combined company. The company is actively mostly talking to the XJT MEC, because the ASA MEC are acting like children. They know that it has to work for both, but are refusing to compromise. So **** them, we got the votes to pass this thing if it's sweet enough, and if we see it in the next six months.
Now SLI, it's a different story, with any luck it will be at least 2-3 years before we see a joint list. This is the reality of it all, now we can all go back to speculating on the 135's and future growth of the ERJ side.
Having been through 3 of them including, and a merger in my previous life I can tell you that it's going to go anything but smooth at this point.
It is common knowledge that the ASA MEC is refusing to talk to our MEC because we will not consider that piece of **** bidding system, put simply it will not work for the combined company. The company is actively mostly talking to the XJT MEC, because the ASA MEC are acting like children. They know that it has to work for both, but are refusing to compromise. So **** them, we got the votes to pass this thing if it's sweet enough, and if we see it in the next six months.
Now SLI, it's a different story, with any luck it will be at least 2-3 years before we see a joint list. This is the reality of it all, now we can all go back to speculating on the 135's and future growth of the ERJ side.
Your post belongs in the "Tool of the day" thread.
04-22-2012 | 06:26 PM
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From: ERJ145 Captain
Well that explains I few things. I appreciate your fantasy on account of the fact that you probably don't know how to land the airplane yet, let alone understand how negotiations work.
Having been through 3 of them including, and a merger in my previous life I can tell you that it's going to go anything but smooth at this point.
It is common knowledge that the ASA MEC is refusing to talk to our MEC because we will not consider that piece of **** bidding system, put simply it will not work for the combined company. The company is actively mostly talking to the XJT MEC, because the ASA MEC are acting like children. They know that it has to work for both, but are refusing to compromise. So **** them, we got the votes to pass this thing if it's sweet enough, and if we see it in the next six months.
Now SLI, it's a different story, with any luck it will be at least 2-3 years before we see a joint list. This is the reality of it all, now we can all go back to speculating on the 135's and future growth of the ERJ side.
Having been through 3 of them including, and a merger in my previous life I can tell you that it's going to go anything but smooth at this point.
It is common knowledge that the ASA MEC is refusing to talk to our MEC because we will not consider that piece of **** bidding system, put simply it will not work for the combined company. The company is actively mostly talking to the XJT MEC, because the ASA MEC are acting like children. They know that it has to work for both, but are refusing to compromise. So **** them, we got the votes to pass this thing if it's sweet enough, and if we see it in the next six months.
Now SLI, it's a different story, with any luck it will be at least 2-3 years before we see a joint list. This is the reality of it all, now we can all go back to speculating on the 135's and future growth of the ERJ side.
Your post belongs in the "Tool of the day" thread.
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