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Originally Posted by hc0fitted
(Post 1174426)
There should be no question. You should bid a relief line hands down. As soon as the SLIW opens you can trade all month long to try to get a weekend off or two. Having a line will increase your QOL 10 fold. :cool:
It can actually depend on what your needs, as well as expectations are. I've had great relief lines, 18 days off, etc. And I've had crappy relief lines, min days off, 4 on 2 off the ENTIRE month, working most weekends, right at 75 hrs credit for working 18 or 19 duty periods in the month, etc. With the kicker being NOTHING to trade for in the SLIW due to 30/7 issue, or the 4 on 2 off, or losing pay credit in the process of the what's left over. So those months, a 4 on 3 off Monday-Thursday long call line IS better as far as QOL goes. The rest is up to the individual persons knowledge of the contract and how to "game" the reserve system. Whether you want to work the Monday-Thrs, or simply sit home most of the month with just an occasional ARC sit thrown in. And nope, you don't need to point out the pitfalls of long call, of which there can be many. Again, it's about managing expectations and exploiting the contract to the fullest extent, I've done it plenty in the 7+ years in EWR, IAH, LAX, and ORD. |
Originally Posted by hc0fitted
(Post 1174484)
The answer to that questions is easy. As a junior line holder with line bidding last month I was able to get 18 days off with a 94 credit line all within about 45min.
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Originally Posted by unit monster
(Post 1173218)
I am just curious what % in seat leaves you on reserve?
Originally Posted by JetBlast77
(Post 1173213)
All i know is there were HUNDREDS of trips in open time
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Originally Posted by hc0fitted
(Post 1174426)
There should be no question. You should bid a relief line hands down. As soon as the SLIW opens you can trade all month long to try to get a weekend off or two. Having a line will increase your QOL 10 fold. :cool:
Hopefully, this will change with the new smartpref for the secondary window, if you know what You'll get on your relief line I'd be more inclined to bid it. Might even opt out of the crappy hard lines to take a senior relief line. |
Remember, we are claiming our system is better for EVERYONE, thats the difference. With PBS, a certain percentage of pilots get exactly what they want, after that its a crap shoot. With our system, all the senior guys get what they want, then the junior guys are able to completely change their schedules to benefit them. Thats the difference. When comparing our systems you don't look at the senior guys, you look at everyone as a whole. As you can imagine, all line holders getting basically what they want every month makes for a much happier pilot group as opposed to one where the senior guys are all fat dumb and happy while the junior guys constantly get siht on.
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Originally Posted by IrishNJ
(Post 1174885)
Don't agree either. I want weekends off, I bid a reserve line weekends off THEN a relief line, no question:). Though I'm not a commuter so I don't care what I get. LOVE arc - 4 hours pay for 4 hours work, you can't get more productive than that.
Hopefully, this will change with the new smartpref for the secondary window, if you know what You'll get on your relief line I'd be more inclined to bid it. Might even opt out of the crappy hard lines to take a senior relief line. |
Originally Posted by hc0fitted
(Post 1174970)
To each his own I guess. I never really cared for having weekends off just so I can get 75 hours of pay @ 23.05 per with 12 days off ....
It never ceases to amaze me when flying with a pilot that held a relief line for the first time and is b1tching about how crappy it is and wasn't able to trade for anything better. Usually the same guy that b1tches about the grueling 3-4 months he sat reserve as a newhire. |
Originally Posted by xjtguy
(Post 1174983)
Which just circles back around. On a relief line, you can have 12 days off with 18-19 duty periods in a month. Toss in a commute, and you're at less days off/at home. Or you you can do reserve, have just as many and sometimes one more duty period in the month, and work LESS for that 75 hrs @ @23.05. It's all a crap shoot, and again it's about wants/needs as well as expectations.
It never ceases to amaze me when flying with a pilot that held a relief line for the first time and is b1tching about how crappy it is and wasn't able to trade for anything better. Usually the same guy that b1tches about the grueling 3-4 months he sat reserve as a newhire. |
Originally Posted by xjtguy
(Post 1174983)
It never ceases to amaze me when flying with a pilot that held a relief line for the first time and is b1tching about how crappy it is and wasn't able to trade for anything better. Usually the same guy that b1tches about the grueling 3-4 months he sat reserve as a newhire. |
I'll be looking at a relief line in June, possibly. I don't know if I'll even want it. I'll be able to get all weekends off during the Summer if I choose to stay on rsv. I might just choose to enjoy those weekends with my friends and family instead of being left with the crappiest lines possible.
Different strokes for different folks. QOL carries more weight with me than the extra money I could be making with a relief line. Once I get off first year pay then I'll probably be busting it a little more because I'll have a shot at actually making a little money. One thing people haven't really mentioned is how much of a difference it makes if you live in base. I'm lucky enough to be one of those people. Makes reserve almost a non-issue, especially cause my base is my home town. I don't understand how some people can commute from coast-to-coast to sit reserve. I just don't get it. |
Originally Posted by FDX8891
(Post 1175097)
I'll be looking at a relief line in June, possibly. I don't know if I'll even want it. I'll be able to get all weekends off during the Summer if I choose to stay on rsv. I might just choose to enjoy those weekends with my friends and family instead of being left with the crappiest lines possible.
Different strokes for different folks. QOL carries more weight with me than the extra money I could be making with a relief line. Once I get off first year pay then I'll probably be busting it a little more because I'll have a shot at actually making a little money. One thing people haven't really mentioned is how much of a difference it makes if you live in base. I'm lucky enough to be one of those people. Makes reserve almost a non-issue, especially cause my base is my home town. I don't understand how some people can commute from coast-to-coast to sit reserve. I just don't get it. |
Is Expressjet still actively hiring?
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yes, classes scheduled through October for now.
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How easy would it be to hold EWR right out of training? I'm guessing it's the most junior base.
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Originally Posted by avi8tor220
(Post 1175150)
Is Expressjet still actively hiring?
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So what are the classes up to now? How many classes in May and June? Anyone know exactly?
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Originally Posted by stoki
(Post 1175307)
So what are the classes up to now? How many classes in May and June? Anyone know exactly?
Officially, the company seems to be taking it month by month (based on what they're telling us). Our monthly attrition data on the ERJ side as of early April shows that 44 pilots have left the ERJ side in 2012 (half of those are CA's), and only 14 have left the CRJ side (only 3 of those are CA's) So, on the ERJ side we're losing about 15 a month, and on the CRJ side about 5 a month. I would assume based on attrition alone we would need to continue hiring to keep up throughout the rest of the year...that's just my uneducated, hopeful guess though. If we keep losing pilots at this rate on the ERJ side, that would mean we'd lose at least 175 this year (assuming about 15-20 leaving each month).... |
Originally Posted by stoki
(Post 1175307)
So what are the classes up to now? How many classes in May and June? Anyone know exactly?
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Originally Posted by avi8tor220
(Post 1175205)
How easy would it be to hold EWR right out of training? I'm guessing it's the most junior base.
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How long would it take to get to Houston if I can't get it out of class? Just wondering.
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Originally Posted by 3stripes
(Post 1175107)
Don't underestimate the financial bump having a relief line can give you. I've averaged about $800-$1,000 extra a month on first year pay since I got a relief line about six months back. No matter how crappy a line might be when you first get it, you can always trade it to suit you and vastly improve it, particularly if you live in base. Until two weeks ago I hadn't done a single four day trip in three months and I averaged 106 hours of pay a month. I live in base so I look to swap for day trips, two days and three days.
Anyway, it seems that in a few months we'll be using a new system for phase II (at least) anyway. |
Originally Posted by Redraider217
(Post 1183903)
How long would it take to get to Houston if I can't get it out of class? Just wondering.
That being said I have no idea if it's as easy now as it was a few months back to make that base trade happen. |
Originally Posted by Speed Breaker
(Post 1158340)
Thanks. Are you given the 75 hour min guarantee during training, or is it reduced? What about uniform expense and housing during training?
Seriously, you get two checks of about $740 to cover your entire training duration. It's per diem, not pay, so shouldn't be taxable, but that's it. Uniform is payroll deducted over time ($25 per pay period after training is over). Most items are deductible, but luggage isn't, and can cost upwards of $400 for leather briefcase and metal roller bag, though you are not required to get these. Some people opt for cheaper options. Don't buy the hat unless your girlfriend thinks you look hot in it. They put you in a hotel with a roommate assigned when you show up. Hopefully, you like him (or her, if you are a girl). Thankfully I had some other sources of income to get me through training. You will "bid" for your base in seniority order (age) in your class, and it's based on what the company needs at the moment. If you really want a particular place, you can probably trade there pretty soon if you don't get it. Newark and Chicago tend to be more junior. Beware what you wish for - everyone is told how houston is the best and newark sucks, but you'll sit on short call reserve in Houston for a LONG time but I almost had a relief line in Newark in my second full month on reserve. Basically, if you are going to live in base bid where you want to live. If you are going to commute, consider other factors. What is wrong with you sheeple? Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws. |
Originally Posted by Speed Breaker
(Post 1158340)
Thanks. Are you given the 75 hour min guarantee during training, or is it reduced? What about uniform expense and housing during training?
Seriously, you get two checks of about $740 to cover your entire training duration. It's per diem, not pay, so shouldn't be taxable, but that's it. Uniform is payroll deducted over time ($25 per pay period after training is over). Most items are deductible, but luggage isn't, and can cost upwards of $400 for leather briefcase and metal roller bag, though you are not required to get these. Some people opt for cheaper options. Don't buy the hat unless your girlfriend thinks you look hot in it. They put you in a hotel with a roommate assigned when you show up. Hopefully, you like him (or her, if you are a girl). Thankfully I had some other sources of income to get me through training. You will "bid" for your base in seniority order (age) in your class, and it's based on what the company needs at the moment. If you really want a particular place, you can probably trade there pretty soon if you don't get it. Newark and Chicago tend to be more junior. Beware what you wish for - everyone is told how houston is the best and newark sucks, but you'll sit on short call reserve in Houston for a LONG time but I almost had a relief line in Newark in my second full month on reserve. Basically, if you are going to live in base bid where you want to live. If you are going to commute, consider other factors. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1184069)
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What is wrong with you sheeple? Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws. Labor Law? You're getting free training. A company lawyer just has to point to the thousands of corporate guys that pay for their training at Flight Safety just to interview. The $1400 per diem for 5 weeks and $15,000 worth of training for free will look industry leading in front of the judge. I Guess they should reimburse you for your Private - ATP too? |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1184069)
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What is wrong with you sheeple? Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1184069)
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What is wrong with you sheeple? Ever heard of labor law? Get together as a group - post probation - and sue the crap out of them. Indentured servitude is illegal. If you are working they have to pay you. A union can not negotiate away your rights to be less than federal law. The RLA makes no exception for management to ignore basic FSLA laws. There have been times in the past where not only did you not get paid during training, you PAID for the training. Apparently, that wasn't illegal either. You are being taught a very expensive skill, entirely at the company's expense, given a free room plus per diem, and not (unlike other regionals) asked to sign any kind of contract. The choice to embark on that journey is entirely voluntary, and the terms are clear in advance. It's not indentured servitude. And we are not doing any work. We are doing nothing productive for the company other than learning a skill and gaining qualifications. Now, you look up and get back to me with exactly what FSLA law they are violating, specifically, and then maybe I'll look into organizing the "sheeple" and making a fuss over it. |
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