XJet taking 9E flying?
03-07-2012 | 09:53 AM
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Xjet "taking" 9E flying? That statement assumes that Pinnacle owned routes in the first place, but the cold hard fact is that they don't. Delta owns the routes, and all of Pinnacle's routes are mostly outsourced DC9 routes from the NWA days of 2000 to 2012. And no regional airline is taking another regional airlines flying, unless the mainline partner says so. This thread should be re-titled because it is inaccurate. You don't own any routes or flying when at a regional.
03-07-2012 | 10:25 AM
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Xjet "taking" 9E flying? That statement assumes that Pinnacle owned routes in the first place, but the cold hard fact is that they don't. Delta owns the routes, and all of Pinnacle's routes are mostly outsourced DC9 routes from the NWA days of 2000 to 2012. And no regional airline is taking another regional airlines flying, unless the mainline partner says so. This thread should be re-titled because it is inaccurate. You don't own any routes or flying when at a regional.
03-07-2012 | 10:46 AM
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Xjet "taking" 9E flying? That statement assumes that Pinnacle owned routes in the first place, but the cold hard fact is that they don't. Delta owns the routes, and all of Pinnacle's routes are mostly outsourced DC9 routes from the NWA days of 2000 to 2012. And no regional airline is taking another regional airlines flying, unless the mainline partner says so. This thread should be re-titled because it is inaccurate. You don't own any routes or flying when at a regional.
EXACTLY. The markets are assessed by the suit wearing types in the crystal palace headshed. When the brain trust gets done, they decide what aircraft are going to do THEIR flying. Whether that's aircraft they operate with their own labor, OR one of the many outsourced/contracted entities in which they do business with.
The flying belongs to the "corp" or the "holdings company" in which the paint job is associated with, NOBODY else. Excluding any at risk or pro rate agreements of course.
Regional CEO's don't paint their faces in camo, hop in stealth helicopters, and go in all ninja/SEAL team six style and 'take" anything. Let alone the pilots.
03-07-2012 | 11:11 AM
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But yeah, I understand your point fully. But regional pilots that like to get their colon in a twist thinking it's "their" flying really need to get a grasp on the bigger picture.
03-07-2012 | 11:28 AM
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Xjet "taking" 9E flying? That statement assumes that Pinnacle owned routes in the first place, but the cold hard fact is that they don't. Delta owns the routes, and all of Pinnacle's routes are mostly outsourced DC9 routes from the NWA days of 2000 to 2012. And no regional airline is taking another regional airlines flying, unless the mainline partner says so. This thread should be re-titled because it is inaccurate. You don't own any routes or flying when at a regional.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows what the OP means without having someone argue the semantics of it......keep the title as it is. Those of us with common sense that are non-argumentative have no problem with it.
03-07-2012 | 11:35 AM
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XJT had every right to be mad when others came in. This is because unlike most "regionals" of today, ExpressJet used to be "Continental Express", owned by CAL, part of CAL. We all had CAL employee numbers, we flowed up on schedule when our number came up, and our paychecks said Continental Airlines on them. We walked to picket line together, "ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT". Then we were sold off and turned into just another regional player like everyone else. We weren't just some company who bid on some flying and won the routes. We were created by CAL, for CAL, to be part of CAL. Many pilots went to CAL with their current employee number, current board date, and current pay. We were one in the same until 2003. This is why you see guys that have been around awhile cringe when they see Colgan or CHQ or Commutair or whoever come in and fly for UniCal. We're not misinformed, things have just changed a lot in the last 10 years. Carry on.....
03-07-2012 | 12:24 PM
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XJT had every right to be mad when others came in. This is because unlike most "regionals" of today, ExpressJet used to be "Continental Express", owned by CAL, part of CAL. We all had CAL employee numbers, we flowed up on schedule when our number came up, and our paychecks said Continental Airlines on them. We walked to picket line together, "ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT". Then we were sold off and turned into just another regional player like everyone else. We weren't just some company who bid on some flying and won the routes. We were created by CAL, for CAL, to be part of CAL. Many pilots went to CAL with their current employee number, current board date, and current pay. We were one in the same until 2003. This is why you see guys that have been around awhile cringe when they see Colgan or CHQ or Commutair or whoever come in and fly for UniCal. We're not misinformed, things have just changed a lot in the last 10 years. Carry on.....
03-07-2012 | 12:35 PM
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03-07-2012 | 12:53 PM
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XJT had every right to be mad when others came in. This is because unlike most "regionals" of today, ExpressJet used to be "Continental Express", owned by CAL, part of CAL. We all had CAL employee numbers, we flowed up on schedule when our number came up, and our paychecks said Continental Airlines on them. We walked to picket line together, "ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT". Then we were sold off and turned into just another regional player like everyone else. We weren't just some company who bid on some flying and won the routes. We were created by CAL, for CAL, to be part of CAL. Many pilots went to CAL with their current employee number, current board date, and current pay. We were one in the same until 2003. This is why you see guys that have been around awhile cringe when they see Colgan or CHQ or Commutair or whoever come in and fly for UniCal. We're not misinformed, things have just changed a lot in the last 10 years. Carry on.....
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