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Avroman 03-30-2012 04:08 PM

wow, so after 4 years on the 900's should I expect to have to bust my arse to figure out how to fly the 200's or can I still just bring my pillow to class? :rolleyes:



( I am being sarcastic for those that didn't figure that out )

IBPilot 03-30-2012 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by jayray (Post 1160646)
The haul damage statistics for 9E don't bode well either for their training philosophy.

Someone from Colgan lecturing about hull loss? Ok what could the 9e training dept. do to prevent some yahoo from planting it from 410 and lying to ATC all the way down to cover his butt? What could the training dept have done to keep some dude from ignoring the QRH and landing at a nearest suitable airport and instead plowing on to a snow covered MKE runway 400 miles away?
TVC you can't blame on training.

So how do the training stats bode for 9L when someone pulls back from a stall and gets the flaps retracted in a stall? Don't answer that, it was 1 rogue person that your training dept could not control. Our Jefferson City CA was your Renslow. Not meant to bash but dude please answer how those 3 could have been prevented by our training dept and how yours is so much better than ours because you had that rogue guy crash too...

tom14cat14 03-30-2012 04:13 PM

I thought Jayray was Mesaba. I guess i do not pay close enough attention to who everyone works for.

mooney 03-30-2012 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by jayray (Post 1160646)
You may be right on a lot of your points but having been trained by 3 different organizations and from other comments I've heard from pilots trained at Eagle and then XJ and then 9E (as well as pilots hired at 9E, trained and then quit to go to Skywest) the training at 9E is a big part of the problem. It just isn't up to par with the rest of the industry. The training philosophy and the training department as a whole needs to be overhauled. It is a century behind the times. Should people not be allowed to upgrade? Probably. But if you are constantly having a 40% failure rate then maybe someone needs to re-examine the training department. The haul damage statistics for 9E don't bode well either for their training philosophy.

I don't deny our training could use some improvement. Hell my CRJ ground school was taught by a ramper without even a pilots license. Luckily the quality of training once you get to the sims and beyond is pretty good.
Like IB I too would like to know how our training philosophy could have prevented our 3 accidents? 2 of which the aircraft are still flying? Like IB said 2 were caused by pilots who had no business being in an airplane and the other was WX induced with possible faulty info received by the pilot. How can you fault training for 2 CA's that go off the deep end?

IBPilot 03-30-2012 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1160662)
I thought Jayray was Mesaba. I guess i do not pay close enough attention to who everyone works for.

If he's XJ my bad. The 3 crashes still had zero to do with the training department philosophy. What is the philosophy? screw charts, basic aerodynamics, laws of physics and common sense lets see what this puppy can do??

manfred33 03-30-2012 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1160668)
Hell my CRJ ground school was taught by a ramper without even a pilots license.

i had him for 1 day during initial way back when, thank god for only 1 day. That was enough! Of course, our regular instructor wasn't a pilot either, i don't believe, but he was sh*tloads better than the other guy....


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1160668)
Luckily the quality of training once you get to the sims and beyond is pretty good.

Very true.... Ground school at 9E has always been the weakest link by far and away, among many, many......many other things....

80ktsClamp 03-30-2012 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by manfred33 (Post 1160738)
i had him for 1 day during initial way back when, thank god for only 1 day. That was enough! Of course, our regular instructor wasn't a pilot either, i don't believe, but he was sh*tloads better than the other guy....



Very true.... Ground school at 9E has always been the weakest link by far and away, among many, many......many other things....

Was that the tank driver? I had him the whole the whole way through. "Good to hook!"

mooney 03-30-2012 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by manfred33 (Post 1160738)
i had him for 1 day during initial way back when, thank god for only 1 day. That was enough!

candyman :). At least we learned how to give ourselves a tracheotomy!

mooney 03-30-2012 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1160739)
Was that the tank driver? I had him the whole the whole way through. "Good to hook!"

ha ha tanks among other things. I forgot all about good to hook!

manfred33 03-30-2012 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1160739)
Was that the tank driver? I had him the whole the whole way through. "Good to hook!"

YOU KNOW IT! I was trying to come up with some of his sayings, but it's been to long and I only had him for the one day, but I heard plenty of stories!!


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