Yea guys!?1? What does it mean, they are ceasing operation of the Saabs by August and the Q400 by November! What does this mean to the props? Come on man. Before years end Pinnacle will be a CRJ 200 & 900 operator for Delta! It's written all over the thread and on any press release you read about Pinnacle!

That Canadian article says the Q's will be transferred to another yet to be specified United Express carrier.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...y.html?cmp=rss

So let's see, I'm going to throw out my speculative time-line. Feel free to add or omit or disagree.

Trenary resigns with a nice package on 3-24-11

In October Commutair management surprisingly and suddenly decides to wrap up years of grinding contract negotiations in a few weeks. Didn't they also manage to get a Q400 operating certificate too? I'm not sure.

Menke asks for a 60% raise while attempting to chop up pilot wages

1 year after Trenary resigns Pinnacle declares BK.

Canadian companies who want their $600+ millions mention that the Q's will be going to another UAX partner.

***. And we ants just run around while corporate bastards plan their retirements and how they will get around minor inconveniences like bankruptcies without losing their salaries, profits, or market share. Pay no attention to the man behind the green curtain. I'm all for capitalism and economic drivers for innovation, efficiency, and success, but the closed door cigar-smoking back-slapping sun-tanning sessions going on with management while people's livelihoods are on the line is over the top.

I know about the Colgan Saabs and Qs going away. I'm asking about Mesaba. Does it still exist and does it still have airplanes? I'm not familiar with the details of your merger and what went where.

Chill, dude.

I do - and you should too

That looks like a great shot if I were playing stupid zombies for droid

Maybe this will help, and if it doesn't I'll bust out the pretty pictures next... Just messing with ya!!!

Pinnacle has asked the DOT to establish an accelerated process to identify replacement carriers for the EAS markets it serves, which are currently served by Saab 340 aircraft.
The remaining Saab 340 fleet that Colgan operates for United Express will be wound down over the next several months, with these operations projected to end by Aug. 1, 2012. Similarly, Colgan’s Q400 aircraft operations will be wound down by Nov. 30, 2012.

*A simple visit to a search engine would quench your information hunger my dear friend. Ahh the joys of the internet!

On January 4, 2012, the Mesaba operation was fenced into the current Pinnacle Airlines operating certificate. In the future the Colgan Airlines operating certificate will be renamed Mesaba.

This aint no hood of JeT Careers.... Respect!

I do agree with you, respect each other! I do agree with his thinking but not calling the other guy an idiot! I am warning him about possibly taking points.

The original plan was to move all the jets to the Pinnacle certificate and the props to the Mesaba certificate and get rid of the Colgan certificate. Due to the cost issues of starting the Q400 on the Mesaba certificate, it was decided to move the props to the Colgan certificate and get rid of the Mesaba Certificate. Then the company was going to rename Colgan Mesaba. The jets were placed on the Pinnacle certificate in Jan and the Mesaba certificate went away. There hadn't been any talk about the renaming of the Colgan certificate since December. Yesterday the company filed bankruptcy and all of the Colgan aircraft are being returned to lessors and the certificate will go away when the last Q is returned in December.

Thanks for the explanation. I thought Mesaba was still in play, but this makes sense.

Good luck to all you guys.

Pinnacle’s bankruptcy underlies growing weakness of US regional carriers | CAPA

Interesting account of the timeline and factors leading up to the BK declaration, including the fact that:

So the decision to declare BK was made MANY moths ago, long before numbers 1 & 2 decided to stuff their pockets full of cash.

Is that really a surprise to anyone anymore? CEO's go the the BOD and show how they can save millions by restructuring through bankruptcy and they negotiate a percentage of the savings to stick around.

Just the way management works in industries that are so important to the national economy and where the government doesn't want to pay for bailouts.

Pinnacle To Rely On Small Jets For Survival | AVIATION WEEK

More of the same more or less...

The 16 900's are 'going away' in Jan 2013. The reason for that is: The company will get the BK Court to make us take huge pay cuts. Then Delta will negotiate with Pinnacle to keep the 900's operating with the new crap wages.

Or to renegotiate the leases and/or pawn them off to another carrier for a 2:1 trade to park 200s.

Maybe they will renegotiate with us to get them back and do the 2:1 at the same time.

That's a fallacy, or you don't know very many. There are always some interested, especially in SWA, UPS, FDX but not so much the rest of the industry.

Agreed. Being in a Tanker unit, I know many AGR pilots in ANG units who wouldn't touch the airlines w/a 10-foot pole right now. And why should they? They have federal holidays off, 3 weekends/month off, pilot bonus (Active Guard Reserve [AGR] Guys/Gals), free insurance, 20-year retirements, job security for the most part, and home most every night as well.
Technician pilots, on the other hand, their program is a little different. And for a traditional guardsman, that statement could be correct if they're looking to fly more...or they could guard bum 'til something full-time comes along. If you think it's hard getting on at the majors, try getting in an AGR program in the ANG units! It's done of course, but politics plays a huge hand - like everywhere else it seems.

Are things over already? I can't even get on any of the company websites, this is all I get.



http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/x...hotos/pncl.jpg

I haven't been able to log into crewpay (Rainmaker) for a few days. Wouldn't surprise me if they "forgot" to pay the webhosting bill too.

The next few years will be some challenging times for Guard & Reserve members. Many of those positions will be eliminated as aircraft are retired.

State-by-state Air Force proposed job cuts - Air Force News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Air Force Times

It's like that with all the sites, that's just the last one I happened to try.