You are wrong, and what is with you?

AA goes into Chapter 11 and you get on the major side and bust their balls. Pinnacle goes into Chapter 11 and you bust their balls. I told you this with the AA guys and I am saying it for the Pinnacle guys, LEAVE them alone, you don't offer anything useful.

They must love you at UPS.

NWA wasn't a preferred major back then, so i can see how you had a class of all regional dudes. The mil guys were looking to go somewhere better like FDX or SWA.

FedEx and SWA hire civilians. You are constantly proven wrong, yet you just keep digging that hole. Please, stop back pedaling. You're only making yourself look worse.

oh Czech you are clueless...an article from June 2011
http://www.gadling.com/2011/06/30/co...st-got-harder/

Today, fewer pilots are leaving the military, instead opting to make it a career. Furthermore, Air Force Magazine reported:

USAF is already training more UAV pilots than F-16 pilots. Within two to three years, Air Force officials predict, drone pilots will outnumber F-16 pilots, numbering as high as 1,100.

Airlines don't recognize this as piloting experience, though. Fortunately, these pilots may be able to move on to a flying position after three years in the service, which brings them three years closer to the twenty years needed for retirement, something that may affect their decision to move on to the airlines.

As the military pool of pilots dries up, most new hire classes will be filled with high-time regional airline pilots.

.....just one perspective that sippin Czech's haterade

Now that we've dispatched Czech's litte sideshow.....can we get back on the thread topic please...

This whole thing sucks b@lls and I don't wish furloughs on anyone but with that being said and our future looking bleak....The No out of seniority, or AC specific furlough is a kick in the privates for those of us that lost out on the integration. The only fair way I see if this is the case would be straight up DATE OF HIRE furloughs from the bottom up and then retraining as needed. Am I wrong in thinking that or should I be ok with say a Colgan guy hired way after me taking my slot at the company I was hired at and I end up on the street? *

Menke is getting hammered over the payroll issues......

I hope he's being crucified.(metaphorically of course)Scumbag. :mad:

Can't remember who it was , but a pilot called in and pointed out that when you don't get paid, calling the bank and explaining you work for an airline that is working on getting its payroll straight just doesn't cut it, and the company owes the pilots and their families a reasonable explanation of what is going on and when paychecks will be correct.

How many of the PCL guys in MEM are trying to get on with FedEx vs. giving up seniority at PCL, now that PCL has declared?

Really? What makes your JCBA more holy than the FA contract? Nice mentality, screw the other labor group, I only care about me. In case you haven't figured it out, the FAs are about to get screwed a lot worse. The world revolves around more than just your flight deck.

In some countries the CEO of an organization going through bankruptcy who just took a massive raise would commit suicide over the shame. It is not that all uncommon. Menke does it with a smile on his face - while telling jokes during the employee QA session.

Ok, so let me get this straight...SM was completely unaware of the problems at Pinnacle prior to signing on as CEO? This man has several degrees as well as prior experience as a CEO. He must not have bothered to even google it then, because the writing was on the wall as early as last year with the SEC financial reports and with PT leaving. A simple google search would have shown that PT did the same to his last airline, Lone Star. He left them one year prior to their bankruptcy as well. The airline had grown too quickly, without developing the proper infrastructure to maintain it...sound familiar?

So, SM, you took the job without doing your due diligence in ascertaining what you are getting yourself into. You sailed through the first six months of your employment with zero knowledge of what the company was about or its prospectus in the long term, and (if I heard this correctly on the call) only began to realize that there was a problem with the contracts when your RFP for MORE flying that you couldn't handle was denied. Then, you started to sound the alarm and attempt to scare people in to wage concessions to save an airline that was gone long before you or most of them ever came along. Bankruptcy was inevitable due to a crappy business plan that was being executed poorly.

But that's not your fault now is it, SM? Don't forget to hit up the BOD for a 59 percent raise. You deserve it. It's been so very hard on your family (insert tears for dramatic effect) for you to DO YOUR JOB.

Did any of you guys wake up one day and say, hey...let me go and spend $100,000 on flight school so that I can one day make less than a city bus driver, live on food stamps, and sleep in the crew room? Is it everything you thought it would be? Where are your raises?

SM, if this is harder than you thought it would be and you didn't really expect to go into bankruptcy, then you have no business being a CEO. At that point, you are a sucker because you are the only one that didn't know. PT and the rest laughed all the way to the bank.

As a former employee, I am not in the least surprised. I am, however, extraordinarily disgusted with the level of greed displayed by these individuals. The labor groups being flatly disregarded right now are the only reason the wheels didn't fall off this bus long ago. All labor groups have gone above and beyond to show good faith to that company. Only after being slapped in the face repeatedly did they reach a point at which they would take no more. I am glad to see that the wage concessions didn't go through. As many have said, it wouldn't have made one bit of difference as to whether the company went bankrupt or not, though SM did make sure to blame you several times over the course of the call.

Unfortunately, regardless of the supposed intention to maintain the labor agreements, they will very likely be rejected in bankruptcy court. How will the company afford to re-train all of the prop pilots in accordance with the seniority based furloughs? You would be letting jet trained pilots go in favor or prop guys who will still have to complete initial training. Sorry guys, I don't see it happening. How many times have you been hosed by this company? Why change up now?

End rant.

Of course, all of this is simply my opinion and pure speculation. I hope none of it's true and that you all get treated with the respect that you deserve. I sincerely do.

I wish all of you guys the best of luck. Stay strong and be safe.

Last time I checked, Im not married to a Colgan/Pinnacle FA... I still have my bills to pay and not theirs.

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And how many of you regional guys did the EXACT same thing? You get on with a regional thinking it's cool to be an "airline" pilots and fly jets. With the internet and forums like these, it's impossible to not know how bad the regionals DO suck. So you for to take the job knowing it's going to suck then a few months later have some type of epiphany that they really do suck is comical.

So screw them, right? Your views are shallow and disgusting to any FA reading. So a FA could say, "those stupid pilots. It's their fault. They should have taken the 7% paycut and saved the company some money. "I'm not married to a pinnacle pilot, so I dont have yo pay their bills, only mine."



Right?

The real truth is that for 99% of guys, going to a commuter is a step up from where they are. Me included.

Set down the glass of bitter, man. 'You' regional guys? We're all professional pilots, regardless of your opinion on the subject. Pretty classless to bash some people who just found out that their livelihoods may be threatened. But, what to expect from someone who's 'experienced' and 'senior'.

God bless all of you at 9L/9E/XJ.

Whats with the Q's. Do they not perform as advertised. Or is it just the contract they have them under with united.

Bad contract, mx hogs I hear.

So will all of the parts of the SLI be kept in tact? It has been said that there will be no furlough out of seniority. Correct me if I am wrong but SM said pilots will be able to bid what their seniority can hold.....so does that mean that pilots will be able to use their seniority given to them by the SLI but not have to abide by the fences in the SLI?

Did they sign a ten year contract with Delta today?

Wow...I hope that your anti FA posts have been a crappy day late April Fools joke.

OK so you may not have to pay their bills, but fact of the matter is that they are still coworkers of yours that are going to get screwed worse. You should care about the FA contract. Even if you really do only care about yourself then this one reason I'm about to say should make you care about the FA contract. If the company is willing to try the best to throw away the FA contract then whats to say they will not throw away the pilot contract.

I think that was just a general statement. I mean, heck, they don't even have the previous realignments figured out.

Looking at the timeline for the end of the Colgan flying, I'd say a realignment bid will be out very soon. That being said, the initial displacements will have "displacement rights" and will be able to go where their SLI seniority holds. The question is, how deep will the dominoes fall? Will there be massive secondaries like 11-09? The troubling thing to me is how quick this process is scheduled to happen.

I first see hundreds of Colgan pilots getting the summer off (maybe paid?) due to lack of training slots available for transition. I foresee a pile-up in the training department that will easily go into next year. Second, even if this next award is implemented, another will soon follow as the 900s begin dropping off line. My advice would be for the pilots who choose to stay at this company to not get too comfortable in any seat or base. Look at your standing bids. The last options on the your preference will be where you end up in 12-18 months.

This guy is just trolling...he has a history of it.

Can someone PM about who to contact for putting in my 2 weeks? CP?

If they go on unemployment you will be paying their bills indirectly.

if you think you will get furloughed, dont quit!! Wait to get laid off then file UI!

Yea that's the whole point of any insurance program...

Not mx hogs. They inked a deal at cost with the hopes of more flying in the future. Add in a meager wage increase and some very minor mx cOsts after the planes come off of warranty = negative equity situation. Ie **** poor management oversight

After having left Pinnacle after over 11 years of servitude, I have to say, I saw the writing on the wall. I was a comfortable CRJ900 captain in ATL, and put my family through a 70% pay cut to "make the move", but would do it again in a heartbeat. I wish all my former co-workers at 9e the best, and hope this doesn't turn out to be another "Mesa" situation, but will say, look at what has historically happened..... This was planned out from the time before Phil left the company. Look at the timing of the bankruptcy anouncement, Just in time for all of them to get their MONEY... The big wigs at Delta, United, and US Aiways know how this is going to unfold. They know what will happen more than 18 months out!!! Why else would the former "LEADERSHIP" abandon an apparently good ship??? Pinnacle is going to be a CRJ900 operator ONLY when the dust settles. The 200's are destined for Beer Can Heaven!!!! Just wait for the next few press releases on how the CRJ200 is not profitable in today's high fuel price environment. Today was just round 1 of many, where the company will be stripped down to almost nothing. I hope I am not correct, but past experience has shown that I am undoubtably going to be right, and I hate it!!!

EXAMPLES: COMAIR.......MESA...... and now PINNACLE!!!!

Good Luck Guys!!!!

I hope you land on your feet!!!!

Who's next? Eagle?

Man another pilot shortage deadline averted for few more years.

Fooled me once before the age 65 extension... now twice... Sick!

Guys, it's all our fault. We get paid too much. Higher than industry average, apparently.

From the BK filing itself:

20. In February 2011, the Debtors signed a collective bargaining agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association, International (“ALPA”), the joint representative of the Debtors’ pilots across all three of its subsidiaries. This new agreement (the “ALPA JCBA”) was championed by ALPA as “historic,” uniting approximately 3,000 pilots under a single agreement and providing significantly enhanced pay, benefits and work rules. Based on recent analysis of these terms by the Debtors’ management and advisers, compensation of the Debtors’ pilots is above market average with respect to wages, benefits, and work rules.

Here's a quote from the filing: "With respect to the CPA governing CRJ-200 flying, Delta and the Debtors agreed to modified rates and margin, elimination of the 2013 rate reset and pilot rate reset, and extension of the term of the CPA by four and a half years until 2022."

If the CPA has already been modified, I don't know if it can/will be modified again, but it looks like they extended the -200 flying until 2022.

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Am I a real pilot now? BK amd Furlough wooowhooo, smooth sailin from here I guess...

This is a perfect example of unfair *bargaining rules for the top 1 percent. Sean threatened to quit which would have cost a few million dollars and could have effectively thrown the entire company into chaos so the board paid him that raise, but if the pilots as a whole threatened to quit because they arent getting compensated what the think they should...oh wait, we can't. See the unfair advantage management has!!!! Imagine if we could threaten to shut down the company because its causing our families too much hardship!!! If we cant use our true company wide worth as a negotiating tool, then it should be illegal for management too.

Delta is todays biggest winner. Kill Uniteds turboprop feed in a matter of months! Get cheaper feed from PNCL!

The next big winners will be Commutair and Skywest I betcha!