so since the 9e -900's are going to GoJetsss that means the pilots go with them right? ;)

How about that integrated seniority list?
I offer my condolences to all the XJ and 9E pilots who are going to be furloughed because of this.

The point was the writing was clear on the wall, and yet the personal attacks flew. Now that it's true, you change your tune? Good luck to all, if you've been following my threads, 99% of it came true. Not proud to say that by any means, as lots will be affected by upcoming displacements, downgrades, furloughs.

No, that's another thread, you quoted the wrong thread. The thread you quoted was the one posted on Jan 31, 2012. It's scary that the rumors flying around back then have now come to be 100% true. Since there's nothing new to add that I didn't already post in December and January, I'm going to bow out of this thread. There's no point reposting things that were already posted once.

Guys, I'm really sorry to hear this... I've got a couple of friends at Colgan, and whenever we've had jumpseaters from Pinnacle/Colgan they were always a class act.

I know it's not much, but SkyWest is hiring and I'd be glad to help anybody out that wants to get on here. What a freaking mess this industry is...

You fool. No one was mad at the information you stated. They just hated the way you said it. Lots of other people said bankruptcy was an option, but no one else seemed happy about it. You b!tched and moaned about being stuck in the right seat and how Colgan pilots screwed you. Then you stated we were going to go bankrupt with glee and seemed excited about an out of seniority furlough.

But don't worry Shy, you were right. Now go tell you mommy that your were right but the kids at the playground are still being mean to you.

This probably isn't too far from the truth, the 900's are going to somebody, Delta will not want to lose some of it's 76 seat flying. The problem is they will most likely go the the lessor and then on to GoJet or Skywest which means no pilots with the planes

Awww man! Who the #$% woke shyguy up?

Wonder what sick calls are going to look like the next few days?

Cough Cough... Sniffle.... ;)

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Sorry folks.

pretty sure you meant bankruptcy by Dec 31 according to the title...

My original estimate was based on losing Qs and Saabs. With the 900s I'd estimate 400-450. Two things to keep in mind. During a scheduling recurrent with planning last November, they said the utilization on the DL side had been pulled down for 2012 to help with the training bubble. Colgan was staffing 3 per seat and Pinnacle 4 per seat under the old contracts. With the new contract more reserves are needed due to the new junior manning policies so the staffing numbers will have to be increased to 5 or maybe 6 per seat per aircraft which should mitigate the furloughs. Pinnacle was way, way understaffed before and is understaffed at present for the aircraft on property.

Still gonna be ****** sandwich though. Best of luck to everybody.....

RAH is parking the last of its Q400s on April 24. Bedford hates props...

Wychor told us last month that if the saabs were to leave over a 12 month period we wouldnt need to furlough but now with 70+ aircraft leaving in 10 months you can bet your a** it's gunna be quite a few...i'm not going to say a number because i think thats unfair...but i think your on the low side

Sorry to hear that guys and gals. Been there, done that. Keep your heads up and be proud you didn't give in to the management requests to fund the executives pay raises with your cash. Stay strong and take care of each other. Ch 11 really stinks, but there is life on the other side

Is Delta taking back all the CRJ-900 flying?

M.

Made sense to change all the uniforms to black and gold just to be F-bombed..........

I wonder how long it will take before Menke announces we are moving out of the Ivory Tower and back to a cheaper location near the airport....

Fed ex credit union is taking that buildng over

what would you wager as a condition of the loan, Daddy Delta wants to downsize 50 seat feed.

They should just move everything back to minni...thats what they should have done to begin with

I hear there is empy space at Nonconnah.....

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. We are truly at Mother Delta's mercy now....

Also wouldn't surprise me......as far as I know we're keeping all the training facilities there...

Haha so remember that time in new hire class when they said that the Q400 was the regional plane of the future and we could expect to see 75 soon with bases in DEN and ORD. Ya me to.

It is the regional airplane of the future for Commutair or Skywest.....

its the Beer can of the future. AA is on a path to be an all jet airline. Delta is trying to do the same. Even USAIR is on this road. No one wants to ride on a turbo prop, esp after the crash in 2008.

Tell that to all the loyal Horizon customers (which there are a ton of). Or all of the oil rough necks flying in and out of Williston on Great Lakes. Passengers don't care. Its about the customer service provided and managing the airline properly.

American had the Q400s in DFW during November and December and wants to use them to replace ATRs. United wants more Q400s and was putting first class in them. Qs will have a future because of the price of jet fuel. They will go somewhere, my guess is Skywest or Commutair, maybe Piedmont. We'll see...

somebody please corner menke on the conference call and ask about the plan for out of senority furloughs etc. some of us will be flying this am during the call. thx.

That would be the end of 9E. This is probably the start of the end anyway. Pinnacle is going to be 1200 pilots all on max pay in a few years. Brilliant idea to shrink to profitability. How fast are they going to burn through that 30 million retraining the whole company again? They should just liquidate now and get it over with.

Yes because people in Alaska/the Pacific Northwest have ANYTHING in common with LA, THE NORTHEAST, or the the East Coast. This is a long term trend. It might not yet be effecting a company named ALASKA AIRLINES, but for the rest of the country it is the case. Also those 1900s in the middle of North Dakota are no example of anything.

Source????? OH wait you have none!!!

I highly doubt out of seniority furloughs will happen, I'm on the 200.

I'd like to see someone ask him what his plans are for the extra 200K he just got. New car, new addition on the home, maybe take his family someplace nice this summer. Perhaps bodyguards to flank him in Memphis as he lays off half the company. That might be a smart investment.

reading the faqs on the company site, thank god for the jcba and the language brought over from the measaba and old pcl contracts. if you didnt notice, all fas, mechanics etc will have to reapply for any vacancies at pinnacle and start over as new hires. no moving expenses, no furlough protections, year one pay etc. once the colgan cert is done, any remaining non pilot furlough will be terminated. this is going to suck for us all. we thought 11-09 was a mess. enjoy the 250k menke.

I'm just wondering how you get "labor concessions" out of RJ drivers making peanuts and living on the same.

The RJ industry is facing very serious survival challenges in the long run and it's all driven by one primary factor and that is the cost of petroleum. No matter how one angles on the sudden about face in this business, you'll come back to fuel prices in the long range strategic plans the majors are making for survival in the $150+ per barrel oil era.

In the end they'll be a handful of RJ operators left, albeit much larger and consolidated just like the majors. Folks this is a Darwinistic business process that cannot be stopped and has been going on through peaks and troughs for decades. This is The Airline Industry. Lions, tigers and bears oh my.

Shyguy, you are a GOD! You are the most enlightened person EVER! I want to have your baby in hopes that my progeny will be at least half as smart as you!

Do you have a website? Because I really need some photos to enhance my wanking.