Proficiency Check Unsat
#32
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Regional,
One improperly run checklist does not generally result in a recurrent check ride failure unless it was so poorly run that the CKA does not think that you can be retrained, or you had already used up your allowed two TTP (Train to proficiency) items. Had you already had unsat items during the check ride that were retrained?
One improperly run checklist does not generally result in a recurrent check ride failure unless it was so poorly run that the CKA does not think that you can be retrained, or you had already used up your allowed two TTP (Train to proficiency) items. Had you already had unsat items during the check ride that were retrained?
#33
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I was an Interview Capt for a 121 airline before and let me tell you from experience you are fine. Yes this will be on your PRIA for the next 5 years but it is not the end of your life. When I interviewed I would always ask the question about failures on Check Rides(No one does PRIA checks until you are hired to expensive). If you busted your CFI, I did think much about it because most people do the first time. If you busted a training event I would listen to make sure you took responsibility for your mistakes, with out spending 30 mins telling me the whole story, and that you learned something from the bust and have fixed the issues. Now if you made excuses, tried to place blame on the other pilot, or have multiple failures in the same aircraft we had issues.
Just be honest and make your explanation simple, We had a lack of CRM, It was just one of those days I was off my game, etc then conclude with you were retrained and passed with flying colors and since then you pay extra attention to things so that does not happen online then you will see all the interview board smiling and nodding their heads. Remember the 3 main things I would look at could I handle doing a trip with you,
can you be trained( 1 bust does not disqualify you from this), finally how do you handle change.
Good Luck!
Just be honest and make your explanation simple, We had a lack of CRM, It was just one of those days I was off my game, etc then conclude with you were retrained and passed with flying colors and since then you pay extra attention to things so that does not happen online then you will see all the interview board smiling and nodding their heads. Remember the 3 main things I would look at could I handle doing a trip with you,
can you be trained( 1 bust does not disqualify you from this), finally how do you handle change.
Good Luck!
#34
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Don't get what people are talking about, "too expensive." In many cases they are free.
My guess is that airlines don't build a file of what would be confidential and personal information on people they do not intend to hire.
The real expense is the HR people to do the paperwork. Records from the FAA and other airlines are cheap (never paid more than $5).
As everyone here has stated (including your good advice), honesty is the best policy and the applicant has nothing to worry about.
As for checkride advice, slow down, don't get rushed, be methodical ... fly the box like you would your airplane.
My guess is that airlines don't build a file of what would be confidential and personal information on people they do not intend to hire.
The real expense is the HR people to do the paperwork. Records from the FAA and other airlines are cheap (never paid more than $5).
As everyone here has stated (including your good advice), honesty is the best policy and the applicant has nothing to worry about.
As for checkride advice, slow down, don't get rushed, be methodical ... fly the box like you would your airplane.
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As in do another checklist? No, he said to look at it again. I explained my reasoning, and he failed me. (i guess because he thought I was oblivious??)
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So you were running abnormal checklist and the PM was actually PF at the time. Why would he be doing anything other than flying? You said you were doing something else. Shouldn't it have been the checklist since in fact you were now PM?
It seems there may be more to the story.
It seems there may be more to the story.
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Regional,
One improperly run checklist does not generally result in a recurrent check ride failure unless it was so poorly run that the CKA does not think that you can be retrained, or you had already used up your allowed two TTP (Train to proficiency) items. Had you already had unsat items during the check ride that were retrained?
One improperly run checklist does not generally result in a recurrent check ride failure unless it was so poorly run that the CKA does not think that you can be retrained, or you had already used up your allowed two TTP (Train to proficiency) items. Had you already had unsat items during the check ride that were retrained?
He said nothing about retraining until after it was done. The form he filled out also referenced programming the approach (I let nerves get the better of me) because I couldn't get back to the page that allowed me to change the transition fix. He said, something to the effect of, "if you can't find it, just clear the whole thing out." So that's what I did. This happened before the checklist thing.
As for TTP items, I can't find anything mentioning it in the contract or manuals that I have.
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The word "incomplete" never left his mouth unfortunately.
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