With the exception of the occasional a-hole in a training dept., most airlines don't really want you to fail training events. It reflects poorly on them and it costs them money. And in the case of the ATP it could mean a termination and having to hire a new pilot, which won't be easy or cheap. The airlines will not treat this new requirement like a joke.

That said, prepare for these things like you would a regular sim event and know what's coming. But there are no real surprises and at my company at least, most of the PCs are similar to what I experienced on my type/upgrade ride. We did the S/E landings and approaches, a flaps zero landing and an engine re-light (follow the checklist to the letter and go through it before the ride because if you don't do it right and the engine doesn't re-light it is a bust) and maybe one or two other things but there were no surprises.

It's a tough ride but really not much tougher than a regular Proficiency Check if you are proficient and don't consistently have to re-train and repeat maneuvers on your regular PCs. Prepare well and it's not that hard at all. Go in unprepared and expect much worse. And not all the preparation is up to the company. Sometimes you have to take some personal responsibility.

 

You wont know the difference. plus by the time guys that are already on property take there rides, they probably have thousands of hours in a plane. if you cant keep it in standards by then....you guys will all be ok. your airlines DONT wamt to lose you. they wont have a replacent.

 

The CA I was flying with a couple weeks ago and I were wondering about that..will the ATP ride for us FOs be taken in the left seat? I haven't dug out a FAR/AIM in quite some time to try and look it up...

 

I don't know where everyone is getting this idea that the ATP ride has to be done from the left seat. Doesn't Compass give their newhires ATP rides on their initial checkride? I fact, I don't know of any PTS that requires any checkride to be done from any given seat. We will be getting checked on our judgement and airmanship, not on our ability to operate the CRJ from the left seat. That's what upgrade training is for. When I was full time instructing I got an add-on rating (non CFI) and since I had been flying for hundreds of hours in the right seat and that was what I was comfortable with I did all my training and took my checkride in the right seat. It's definitely not the norm, but I don't see anything prohibiting a person attaining all their licenses and ratings without ever touching the left seat. Qualification rides (upgrade, initial) are seat specific. Any type of rating add on or certificate checkride is not.

 

I already have my ATP, so the upgrade to PIC type was rolled into the LOE. The previous day's sim was some windshear recovery,breakout manuvers,v1 and climbout engine failures with the memory and checklist items. Study and don't rush,plain and simple.

 

It is 2 different checkrides in initial: SIC and then PIC. All initial training is done half in the right seat and half in the left. The PIC checkride is done in the left seat, but by then, the left seat flows and responsibilities are solid.
I definitely wouldn't want to come into the PIC ride with only an hour or two in the seat "warming up."

 

Did my ride a week ago all from the right seat, the Circling VMC restriction still applies, SIC limitation was removed. As I said in my previous post the whole event was nothing more than a recurrent check ride with a a few more maneuvers that we should already know how to do, stalls, steep turns, wind shear recovery, etc... I even taxied from the right seat.

The next day was the the actual LOE flight, we use AQP training, it was one leg. The captain gets sick on the leg and passes out, the SIC must now act as pic, continue the flight, nearest suitable airport is the destination at the time he becomes sick, get a wind shear on short final, do the escape maneuver, come back around now that the winds have magically calmed down and several aircraft behind you make it in, park the aircraft on the runway for emergency personal and done. I am sure every airline's scenario will be different, but as far as the maneuvers these are simple things that we should already be able to preform on any given day.

The oral was also very company specific, op specs etc, and aircraft specific. Go in prepared, just like any other check ride, and there will be no issues. Good luck to all!

Forgot to mention that I didn't have to go out and retake the written the one I had was over 5 years old

 

It doesn't really have to be. The issue that sometimes comes up, though, is the requirement for the applicant to taxi the aircraft/simulator (PTS requirement as I recall). The argument has been made that if the tiller is on the left side, the taxiing, at a minimum, should be done from that seat.

On a side note, my understanding is that some airlines are allowing their applicants to use rudder pedal steering to meet this requirement if the aircraft doesn't have a tiller at the right seat. I guess it all depends on what your POI signs off on.

 

If you got your written prior to working at a 121, 125, or 135 carrier, then you have to retake the written again.

 

Not true. People don't read the reg. You are one of them. I copied and pasted it in this thread. Go back and read. If you are employed at a 121, 125, or 135 at the time if the PRACTICAL. Not the written, the PRACTICAL.