Originally Posted by ShyGuy

How was that an insult? I just said I have faith in those who want to leave. The job market sucks, but only in the US. There's tons of growth and pilot jobs at Asian and Middle Eastern carriers. Good luck! Keep applying, applying, and applying. Eventually, you'll get a call.

Originally Posted by whtever

Sean Menke is now up there with Lorenzo and the rest of the most hated and ineffective airline CEOs of all time. This situation is the epitome of corporate greed, the inability to effectively lead, extremely poor workforce relations, and the complete lack of foresight and business understanding. Before you come to his defense, look at at his overly underwhelming resume, one covered with his own tears. He references Frontier in a majority of his bullish** "Messages from Sean." While the F9 guys may defend, they are in no better position today than when he took the helm. The only difference is they drank the coolaide and willingly gave up pay, retirement, benefits etc. while supporting the man that stole from each and every employee. Now he brings his BS show to Pinnacle and fails miserably. True he may not have been handed a perfect situation, but what business professional of his supposed stature accepts a position without due diligence. He is destructive at best and will be instrumental in the collapse of 9E; tearfully defending his raise as he aggressively attacks his undeserving employees' wages, work rules, benefits, and 401Ks- all while thousands of families are crippled is disgusting. Sean Menke is what is wrong with this industry and stands as a symbol of incapable management.

Originally Posted by Will

Everybody relax, I have been telling myself not to get to worked up over the companys first offer. By all means if you are not happy here please leave. Instead of sinking the boat do us all a favor and just jump off.

Originally Posted by schone

Never in all of my time at Pinnacle did I think i'd live to see 87% agreeing that its time to burn the place to the ground rather than agreeing to any of their bull**** terms.

Hallelujah!!!!

Liquidate the place folks! There ain't nothing for any single one of us to gain by Pinnacle (i mean Mesaba) staying afloat. Burn it, liquidate it, and come back later when its more decent of a work place.

Set an example, and the rest will follow!

Originally Posted by AxialFlow

108 isn't 87% of the pilot group. It's probably those on the bottom of the seniority list who are getting furloughed and won't have a job regardless. The pilots will NEVER shut this place down. Too many people with excuses, i.e. "My spouse makes the money", or "I'm a trust fund baby and don't need the paycheck", or "I can afford a paycut, I'm still living with my parents", etc, etc, etc...

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of hard workers and great people in this company/industry...but for those reasons I've listed above (and many more), there will never be true solidarity within a company, let alone the industry. It's what keeps two-bit, Micky Mouse operations like Pinnacle afloat.

Originally Posted by AxialFlow

108 isn't 87% of the pilot group. It's probably those on the bottom of the seniority list who are getting furloughed and won't have a job regardless. The pilots will NEVER shut this place down. Too many people with excuses, i.e. "My spouse makes the money", or "I'm a trust fund baby and don't need the paycheck", or "I can afford a paycut, I'm still living with my parents", etc, etc, etc...

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of hard workers and great people in this company/industry...but for those reasons I've listed above (and many more), there will never be true solidarity within a company, let alone the industry. It's what keeps two-bit, Micky Mouse operations like Pinnacle afloat.

Originally Posted by AxialFlow

Too many people with excuses, i.e. "My spouse makes the money", or "I'm a trust fund baby and don't need the paycheck", or "I can afford a paycut, I'm still living with my parents", etc, etc, etc...