View Poll Results: This poll should be middle finger enough.
Rather see the place burn to the ground before agreeing to concessions.
142
88.75%
I'd consider voting on concessions if it's in the best interest of the company.
18
11.25%
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New letter from S. Menke to Pinnacle employes
05-04-2012 | 07:04 AM
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Saw on CNBC (was on when I was in the gym) a graph showing employee productivity vs pay. It was astounding. Productivity was substantially up while pay was the inverse. Sad state of where we are heading. The point was the upper class was becoming extreme upper class while the middle class is vanishing.
05-04-2012 | 07:09 AM
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Oh wait, so is commitment to finical responsibility and valuing our employees
.Burn it and then let it sink.
05-04-2012 | 07:18 AM
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You forgot the highlight the best part....
We also hope to achieve our objectives without theadded expense and distraction of having to ask the court to intervene byrejecting our collective bargaining agreements under Section 1113 of theBankruptcy Code – as virtually all other airlines have done before (and asAmerican Airlines is currently seeking to do)
The half-wit is actually trying to dangle the carrot of a "1113" as an incentive to give whatever concessions maangement asks for.
Who in their right mind would ever believe that the company will not 100% go for the 1113 motion, trying to throw out the JCBA? Also, what moron would think that by agreeing in full to these concessions would prevent a 1113 request.
Let him ask for the 1113, and while he is asking he can explain those raises that he and Johnny S received.
We also hope to achieve our objectives without theadded expense and distraction of having to ask the court to intervene byrejecting our collective bargaining agreements under Section 1113 of theBankruptcy Code – as virtually all other airlines have done before (and asAmerican Airlines is currently seeking to do)
The half-wit is actually trying to dangle the carrot of a "1113" as an incentive to give whatever concessions maangement asks for.
Who in their right mind would ever believe that the company will not 100% go for the 1113 motion, trying to throw out the JCBA? Also, what moron would think that by agreeing in full to these concessions would prevent a 1113 request.
Let him ask for the 1113, and while he is asking he can explain those raises that he and Johnny S received.
05-04-2012 | 07:51 AM
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
The article Menke mentions discusses Eagle and their likelihood of getting larger regional aircraft....does anyone know what is happening with regard to the Delta negotiations. I am trying to follow that on the forums, but a lot of their posts are over my head.
05-04-2012 | 08:51 AM
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We also hope to achieve our objectives without theadded expense and distraction of having to ask the court to intervene byrejecting our collective bargaining agreements under Section 1113 of theBankruptcy Code
05-04-2012 | 08:55 AM
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You need to look at the demographics of an airline before making a statement like this. The younger guys (in their 20s and 30s) have enough time in the industry and options to say "screw this place" and let it burn. However, the 45-60 yr old crowd with 10-15+ years of service are in a tougher position. Many of them have 10 years or less to go in this industry before retirement. They cannot start over at another airline, and many can't just do a career change at this late an age. For them, concessions is still a better option than their golden goose getting burned. I'm not saying it makes it right, but at least see where they are coming from.
05-04-2012 | 09:54 AM
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We also hope to achieve our objectives without theadded expense and distraction of having to ask the court to intervene byrejecting our collective bargaining agreements under Section 1113 of theBankruptcy Code
First, ask the non union employees how they are going to like it on Tuesday when the company TELLS them what their new pay and benefit package is, while unionized employees will get to negotiate.
Second, when the company asks for a 1113 motion, it will be union lawyers arguing against that motion in front of the judge.
The union is far from perfect but I could not imagine going through this without a union.
05-04-2012 | 10:29 AM
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Are you serious?
First, ask the non union employees how they are going to like it on Tuesday when the company TELLS them what their new pay and benefit package is, while unionized employees will get to negotiate.
Second, when the company asks for a 1113 motion, it will be union lawyers arguing against that motion in front of the judge.
The union is far from perfect but I could not imagine going through this without a union.
First, ask the non union employees how they are going to like it on Tuesday when the company TELLS them what their new pay and benefit package is, while unionized employees will get to negotiate.
Second, when the company asks for a 1113 motion, it will be union lawyers arguing against that motion in front of the judge.
The union is far from perfect but I could not imagine going through this without a union.
As his letter mentioned:
The concessions that we will be seeking now include wages, work rules, and modifications to our health and 401(k) plans.
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