Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
Will the regionals pay better after next year >

Will the regionals pay better after next year

Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

Will the regionals pay better after next year

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-10-2012 | 03:01 PM
  #21  
clearprop's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
From: Right Seat Spouse
Default

Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Is that capacity growth? Or just replacing those who have jumped ship? Is anyone taking new aircraft deliveries (not re-shuffled frames from other whipsawed carriers)?
none or very little if any capacity growth. 00 picked up some stuff from Alaska/Horizon, put probably lost a bit somewhere else. If anything, shrinkage. Just a shifting of the pilots and lots of attrition. Re-shuffling etc....Some, but not much in retirements.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 03:18 PM
  #22  
On Reserve
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 150
Likes: 26
From: Bus Driver
Default

Unfortunately the two carriers who added the most planes, Eagle with almost 50 cr7's and Colgan with their 30 Q's , are not doing so well. Skywest added a few, as did Compass. Expressjet pulled some from the desert. Unsure on the rest.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 03:32 PM
  #23  
clearprop's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
From: Right Seat Spouse
Default

Originally Posted by skigambia
Unfortunately the two carriers who added the most planes, Eagle with almost 50 cr7's and Colgan with their 30 Q's , are not doing so well. Skywest added a few, as did Compass. Expressjet pulled some from the desert. Unsure on the rest.
added aircraft over what period of time? The past 0-2 years or the past 5 years? Was it just shifting aircraft around? Some aircraft are always being added or brought in from the desert wasteland as older aircraft fall dead.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 03:32 PM
  #24  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 481
Likes: 0
From: CFI/II/MEI
Default

I don't see any significant pay raises coming any time soon. Maybe a couple thousand dollar bump on first and second year pay... that's it. The airlines will try to get away with paying what they are paying as long as they can. Also, rising oil prices doesn't mean anything good for us pilots.

I can't predict the future, but if things stay the way they are trending now, there will be fewer pilots down the road. Is it enough to trigger a bona fide shortage? I don't know. There are fewer students now than there was 5-10 years ago. With avgas being $6/gallon and loans near impossible to get (unless you are attending a university) flight training is out of reach for a lot of people. This is a double-edged sword, though, because fewer students means that it is going to be tougher for pilots to get up to those ATP mins to get hired by airlines in the first place.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 04:25 PM
  #25  
CANAM's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 439
Likes: 0
From: 1986 LeBaron Convertable
Default

Will the regionals pay better after next year? Yes. All of your wildest dreams will come true.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 05:05 PM
  #26  
Flyby1206's Avatar
SDQ Base Chief
20 Years
On Reserve
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,079
Likes: 41
From: 320 CA
Default

I'm sure there is a point where contracting regionals doesn't make financial sense for the mainline carriers. If pay goes up, and/or supply of pilots declines then I could see more routes going back to mainline. The infamous pilot shortage (if it ever happens) will cause the regionals to go extinct.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 05:07 PM
  #27  
clearprop's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
From: Right Seat Spouse
Default

Originally Posted by CANAM
Will the regionals pay better after next year? Yes. All of your wildest dreams will come true.
and my ex-wife will let me voluntarily lower my spousal support. One of my wildest dreams.........
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 06:01 PM
  #28  
Diver Driver's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,634
Likes: 0
From: Tiki bar
Default

Originally Posted by CANAM
All of your wildest dreams will come true.
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 06:10 PM
  #29  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,585
Likes: 328
Default

Originally Posted by xjcaptain
Keep in mind that this new law basically returns the new hire minimums to what they competitively were for years and years. Not too long ago a regional wouldn't look at you unless you had a couple of thousand TT and 400-500 multi. Those were MINIMUMS. I know the younger "ME" generation would prefer to be owed, or given a job, but once again were are returning to a minimum qualification to be in front of the door. It's about time. I
This is true. The minimums were lowered to the FAR minimums because of the pilot shortage. It already happened. We're just too naive and optimistic to realize that it already happened, and the results were not what we were expecting. There might be another one in the future, but overall wages will not increase. There just might be a raise to new hire pay at the lowest level (regionals).
Reply
Old 05-10-2012 | 06:36 PM
  #30  
block30's Avatar
Bracing for Fallacies
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,543
Likes: 0
From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
Default

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This is true. The minimums were lowered to the FAR minimums because of the pilot shortage. It already happened. We're just too naive and optimistic to realize that it already happened, and the results were not what we were expecting. There might be another one in the future, but overall wages will not increase. There just might be a raise to new hire pay at the lowest level (regionals).
Yeah, I would say that 2006-2007 was a shortage by at least some definition. As mentioned I believe compensation was raised, but with new hire bonuses, not increased pay for the pilot group. I really think the economy needs to roar (or bubble depending on how you see things) to get the crazy hiring of 2006-2007. My two cents.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
captain_drew
Flight Schools and Training
39
12-05-2012 08:29 AM
ShyGuy
Regional
412
06-05-2011 02:16 PM
SKMarz
United
26
05-27-2011 11:00 AM
Clue32
Money Talk
0
09-18-2009 12:34 PM
BNUT
Military
97
10-14-2008 04:11 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices