SkyHigh....for the love of God enough already!
10-31-2006 | 11:32 AM
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Bitter pill indeed. Wouldn't a 70K Regional job as a captain be better than the Costco deal, Or an Instructor slot at Flight Safety? Finally your posts got me thinking why we as pilots get so bitter? I have my ideas as to why (4day trips, weekends, holidays, commuting etc.) but will save it for another day. I have often considered leaving it all together myself, but if I did I would go the self employed route. And I know that would mean being married to the business just like aviation.
As for Skyhigh - why not compile your posts on this forum into a daily reader. Flight school students , CFIs, 121 pilots could read them while flying or waiting around...Just a suggestion. With a publisher / self-publish you could make some beer money if nothing else...
Aviation is interesting...
-LAFF
10-31-2006 | 11:34 AM
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Beer Money !!
Don't save it for another day...Share.
As for Skyhigh - why not compile your posts on this forum into a daily reader. Flight school students , CFIs, 121 pilots could read them while flying or waiting around...Just a suggestion. With a publisher / self-publish you could make some beer money if nothing else...
Aviation is interesting...
-LAFF
As for Skyhigh - why not compile your posts on this forum into a daily reader. Flight school students , CFIs, 121 pilots could read them while flying or waiting around...Just a suggestion. With a publisher / self-publish you could make some beer money if nothing else...
Aviation is interesting...
-LAFF
SkyHigh
10-31-2006 | 12:01 PM
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Man I have friends who I am close to from my class that still work there. The only way I could be making 100K while working at Horizon Air is if I won the lottery. I assume that you are one of those guys that throws everything in, per diem, tons of overtime, draft pay, hotel rooms and the quarter that you found in the company parking lot in order to come up with that amount. My unaltered an unashamed pay scale at QX places me at 56K had I stayed.
I am not blaming QX for anything. They did lie to me and treated all of us like 5 year olds. I endured the longest and most miserable 9 leg days of my life there. The worst decision I could make would be to have stayed. If the kind of life and working conditions QX offers is satisfactory for you then have at it.
QX fell far short of what I considered to be worth throwing a career away upon. In fact 100K is not even close to being enough to endure what they dish out at QX.
Enjoy,
SKyHigh
I am not blaming QX for anything. They did lie to me and treated all of us like 5 year olds. I endured the longest and most miserable 9 leg days of my life there. The worst decision I could make would be to have stayed. If the kind of life and working conditions QX offers is satisfactory for you then have at it.
QX fell far short of what I considered to be worth throwing a career away upon. In fact 100K is not even close to being enough to endure what they dish out at QX.
Enjoy,
SKyHigh
Well, I was basing that on STRAIGHT PAY not any of that other bs at the seniority you mentioned previously. Check the payscale, and check your math. Also, we don't have any 9 leg days nowadays, which is what we are talking about. Don't get me wrong, I think you made the right choice too, Baby!
10-31-2006 | 05:42 PM
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Ask yourself
Well, I was basing that on STRAIGHT PAY not any of that other bs at the seniority you mentioned previously. Check the payscale, and check your math. Also, we don't have any 9 leg days nowadays, which is what we are talking about. Don't get me wrong, I think you made the right choice too, Baby!
Consider if you will, had even yourself simply gotten a job at Costco. And had applied the same efforts and sacrifices as with a flying career you would most likely be in store management by now. 62K is a sad and tragic. New college grads are starting out at near that amount. Keep selling yourself on that fairytale though. Perhaps you should have taken a few accounting classes in college.
SkyHigh
10-31-2006 | 07:50 PM
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Here it is in quantitative format I cannot take credit this is bla bla's post. Then add to it working weekends, your kids b-day, holidays etc and you get the idea.
Originally Posted by bla bla bla;
True, last month my time away from base was 376.7 hours. Compare that to 160 hours for a regular 9-5 job, well you see what I mean.
Time away from base means time away from family, and making more income.
Duty time(time from report to release) I figured was around 165 hours. 15 nights in hotel beds, figure 8 hrs of sleep for those nights = 120 hrs. 165 hours duty time and 120 hours of sleep = 285 total productive time. 376-285=91 hrs.
So for 91 hours last month I sat in a hotel room by myself awake.
Total time at a hotel was 211 hours+/- shuttle van time. Also this does not include time sitting around between flight's at the airport.
91 hours of wasted time.
None of this time includes commuting.
So If I add the duty time 165 hrs, to the unproductive time 91 hrs, that = 256 hrs divide that by 35, my hourly rate, you get 13.67 dollars an hour. Remember that I took out 120 hours for sleep.
Worth all the sacrifice? You be the judge.
91 hours in one month is a lot of time, thats more than 2 weeks for a regular 9-5 job. Figure that as over time for a regular job, that would be a nice check.
Time away from base means time away from family, and making more income.
Duty time(time from report to release) I figured was around 165 hours. 15 nights in hotel beds, figure 8 hrs of sleep for those nights = 120 hrs. 165 hours duty time and 120 hours of sleep = 285 total productive time. 376-285=91 hrs.
So for 91 hours last month I sat in a hotel room by myself awake.
Total time at a hotel was 211 hours+/- shuttle van time. Also this does not include time sitting around between flight's at the airport.
91 hours of wasted time.
None of this time includes commuting.
So If I add the duty time 165 hrs, to the unproductive time 91 hrs, that = 256 hrs divide that by 35, my hourly rate, you get 13.67 dollars an hour. Remember that I took out 120 hours for sleep.
Worth all the sacrifice? You be the judge.
91 hours in one month is a lot of time, thats more than 2 weeks for a regular 9-5 job. Figure that as over time for a regular job, that would be a nice check.
11-01-2006 | 05:07 AM
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Guys like you always amaze me. Constantly trying in vein to justify a falsely inflated income. I went back and discovered that I was off by one line. My pay would have been $64 per hour at 80 hours per month totals to $62,000 per year. After four years of college. One year of self funded flight training. three years as a CFI, five years in various charter jobs and then 8 years at Horizon Air. 21 years total as a professional pilot I would have accomplished $62,000 per year. What an embarrassment. Strait pay is the only way to fairly evaluate your compensation. Selling your days off and adding per diem doesnt count. Why not give them a kidney while you are at it, or perhaps you could sell your blood? Add it all in.
Consider if you will, had even yourself simply gotten a job at Costco. And had applied the same efforts and sacrifices as with a flying career you would most likely be in store management by now. 62K is a sad and tragic. New college grads are starting out at near that amount. Keep selling yourself on that fairytale though. Perhaps you should have taken a few accounting classes in college.
SkyHigh
Consider if you will, had even yourself simply gotten a job at Costco. And had applied the same efforts and sacrifices as with a flying career you would most likely be in store management by now. 62K is a sad and tragic. New college grads are starting out at near that amount. Keep selling yourself on that fairytale though. Perhaps you should have taken a few accounting classes in college.
SkyHigh
Based on what you told me before, you would be in the '10th' yr, which means you could hold DEN CRJ CA @ $94.72/hr. We have 10.4/bids per year, with a guarantee of 92 hrs/bid. That yields $90,628, which is a hell of a lot closer to $100K than $62k! BTW, why do you think adding per diem to your compensation is invalid? It's part of the compensation negotiated for by your union, and if you earn the wage, you will absolutely earn the per diem. I'll bet you would include it on a loan app...
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