IBT 357 Hits New Low
05-27-2012, 02:57 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by 3662forlife
What good is being “allowed” to speek our mind whether ibt is the best union for us, if we can get fired for talking about a alternetive union?
I hate people that just complane but don’t try to have a answer to the problem.
If ibt is the problem than there should be a answer to the problem and that answer would be an other union.
But if any one tries to get an other union they get fired.
Didn’t every one just have a hissy fit over freedom of speach about our newhire web site? we even went to court to “defend our freedom of speach.” The judge dropped the injuntion part of the companies case but we’re still getting sued for the site; arent we?
Ibt felt they couldnt even have the “right to assmebele” when the cops ran off all 7 (seven) pilots; out of like 2000; and some mechenics trieing to pass out ibt stuff to organise the rah mechecics.
And we’ve had the some auful contract for almost 10 years and not made one inch of improveing it any way. May be cause we have the excact same people working on it for 10 years?
So freedom of speach is only for ibt but not for a person that is foresed to be in ibt?
I hate people that just complane but don’t try to have a answer to the problem.
If ibt is the problem than there should be a answer to the problem and that answer would be an other union.
But if any one tries to get an other union they get fired.
Didn’t every one just have a hissy fit over freedom of speach about our newhire web site? we even went to court to “defend our freedom of speach.” The judge dropped the injuntion part of the companies case but we’re still getting sued for the site; arent we?
Ibt felt they couldnt even have the “right to assmebele” when the cops ran off all 7 (seven) pilots; out of like 2000; and some mechenics trieing to pass out ibt stuff to organise the rah mechecics.
And we’ve had the some auful contract for almost 10 years and not made one inch of improveing it any way. May be cause we have the excact same people working on it for 10 years?
So freedom of speach is only for ibt but not for a person that is foresed to be in ibt?
But...
Seriously...?
I honestly can't decode enough of this post to figure out what is upsetting you.
05-27-2012, 11:01 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by WeaselBoy
Originally Posted by 3662forlife
What good is being “allowed” to speek our mind whether ibt is the best union for us, if we can get fired for talking about a alternetive union?
I hate people that just complane but don’t try to have a answer to the problem.
If ibt is the problem than there should be a answer to the problem and that answer would be an other union.
But if any one tries to get an other union they get fired.
Didn’t every one just have a hissy fit over freedom of speach about our newhire web site? we even went to court to “defend our freedom of speach.” The judge dropped the injuntion part of the companies case but we’re still getting sued for the site; arent we?
Ibt felt they couldnt even have the “right to assmebele” when the cops ran off all 7 (seven) pilots; out of like 2000; and some mechenics trieing to pass out ibt stuff to organise the rah mechecics.
And we’ve had the some auful contract for almost 10 years and not made one inch of improveing it any way. May be cause we have the excact same people working on it for 10 years?
So freedom of speach is only for ibt but not for a person that is foresed to be in ibt?
What good is being “allowed” to speak our mind whether IBT is the best union for us, if we can be fired for talking about an alternative union?
I hate people that just complain but don’t try to have an answer to the problem.
If IBT is the problem than there should be an answer to the problem and that answer would be another union.
However, if any one tries to get another union they will be thrown out of the union and fired.
Didn’t everyone just have a hissy fit over freedom of speech about our new hire web site? We even went to court to “defend our freedom of speech.” The judge dropped the injunction part of the company’s case but we’re still being sued for the site, aren’t we?
IBT felt they couldn’t even have the “right to assemble” when the cops ran off all seven (7) pilots (out of approximately 2000 pilot “members - .035% of the pilots), and some mechanics trying to pass out IBT stuff to organize the RAH mechanics.
In addition, we’ve had the some awful contract for almost 10 years and not made one inch of improving it any way. Maybe because we have had the exact same people working on it for 10 years?
Therefore, freedom of speech is only for IBT but not for a person that is forced to be in IBT to work for RAH. Is that your position?
Your typing better be perfect after this…… I don’t see how taking 20 minutes to write something perfect is necessary when the same point can be made without worrying about the spelling. The idea is the same and I think you know that.
05-28-2012, 01:32 PM
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“05-26-2012”
“IMO, it boils down to this: Craig wants to make this place a "career airline". Bedford has stated that it is not. Unfortunately, Bedford holds the trump cards with the RLA and bankruptcy.
“Some places ARE career airlines. They tend to have management that considers their work force as long-term investments, and a business model that is not predicated on ultra-low labor costs. That ain't RAH. I agree with Rxxx that if this place is ever going to be what I think Craig is trying to make it, it will require a complete overhaul of the management group.”
Really!!! There are people that want a career at a commuter/regional airline? Why why why?
For management to consider us as long term invesments wouldn’t we have to consider our career and consider our management as long term invesments?
What commuter/regional airline has all the pay and other stuff we want? Can’t count Jet Blue, US Air, or a Canadian airline they aren’t the same as us and it’s just silly to think they are.
All commuter/regionals are based on ultra low cost labor costs, that’s why it’s a stepping stone to some thing better, we just got trapped in a time where there was no movement, how many would really be here if the pipe line to the majors hadn’t stopped flowing?
A commuter/regional money statagy is dependant on low pay, low average pay, turn over – they want people to leave (longevity)- and new contracts with the majors that’s what’s always been. And maybe the majors are done with out- sourcing where does that leave us and our part of the airline world?
It seems easier to just move on as soon as you can and leave management to the next poor group.
If someone really wants to stay they are accepting the pay and work rules that commuter/regionals offer and should just accept there position in life. It’s what you guys agreed on in 2003 and you thought that was an “industry leading contract?”
I don’t care about contract 2014 I just want out. This is not what I want for a aviation life.
“IMO, it boils down to this: Craig wants to make this place a "career airline". Bedford has stated that it is not. Unfortunately, Bedford holds the trump cards with the RLA and bankruptcy.
“Some places ARE career airlines. They tend to have management that considers their work force as long-term investments, and a business model that is not predicated on ultra-low labor costs. That ain't RAH. I agree with Rxxx that if this place is ever going to be what I think Craig is trying to make it, it will require a complete overhaul of the management group.”
Really!!! There are people that want a career at a commuter/regional airline? Why why why?
For management to consider us as long term invesments wouldn’t we have to consider our career and consider our management as long term invesments?
What commuter/regional airline has all the pay and other stuff we want? Can’t count Jet Blue, US Air, or a Canadian airline they aren’t the same as us and it’s just silly to think they are.
All commuter/regionals are based on ultra low cost labor costs, that’s why it’s a stepping stone to some thing better, we just got trapped in a time where there was no movement, how many would really be here if the pipe line to the majors hadn’t stopped flowing?
A commuter/regional money statagy is dependant on low pay, low average pay, turn over – they want people to leave (longevity)- and new contracts with the majors that’s what’s always been. And maybe the majors are done with out- sourcing where does that leave us and our part of the airline world?
It seems easier to just move on as soon as you can and leave management to the next poor group.
If someone really wants to stay they are accepting the pay and work rules that commuter/regionals offer and should just accept there position in life. It’s what you guys agreed on in 2003 and you thought that was an “industry leading contract?”
I don’t care about contract 2014 I just want out. This is not what I want for a aviation life.
05-28-2012, 06:37 PM
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Your typing better be perfect after this…… I don’t see how taking 20 minutes to write something perfect is necessary when the same point can be made without worrying about the spelling. The idea is the same and I think you know that.
1) That you needed a friend to help you write your rant.
2) This rant actually took 20 minutes to type with said friends help.
3) You actually believe awful spelling and grammar do not matter.
05-29-2012, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 3662forlife
“05-26-2012”
“IMO, it boils down to this: Craig wants to make this place a "career airline". Bedford has stated that it is not. Unfortunately, Bedford holds the trump cards with the RLA and bankruptcy.
“Some places ARE career airlines. They tend to have management that considers their work force as long-term investments, and a business model that is not predicated on ultra-low labor costs. That ain't RAH. I agree with Rxxx that if this place is ever going to be what I think Craig is trying to make it, it will require a complete overhaul of the management group.”
Really!!! There are people that want a career at a commuter/regional airline? Why why why?
For management to consider us as long term invesments wouldn’t we have to consider our career and consider our management as long term invesments?
What commuter/regional airline has all the pay and other stuff we want? Can’t count Jet Blue, US Air, or a Canadian airline they aren’t the same as us and it’s just silly to think they are.
All commuter/regionals are based on ultra low cost labor costs, that’s why it’s a stepping stone to some thing better, we just got trapped in a time where there was no movement, how many would really be here if the pipe line to the majors hadn’t stopped flowing?
A commuter/regional money statagy is dependant on low pay, low average pay, turn over – they want people to leave (longevity).
“IMO, it boils down to this: Craig wants to make this place a "career airline". Bedford has stated that it is not. Unfortunately, Bedford holds the trump cards with the RLA and bankruptcy.
“Some places ARE career airlines. They tend to have management that considers their work force as long-term investments, and a business model that is not predicated on ultra-low labor costs. That ain't RAH. I agree with Rxxx that if this place is ever going to be what I think Craig is trying to make it, it will require a complete overhaul of the management group.”
Really!!! There are people that want a career at a commuter/regional airline? Why why why?
For management to consider us as long term invesments wouldn’t we have to consider our career and consider our management as long term invesments?
What commuter/regional airline has all the pay and other stuff we want? Can’t count Jet Blue, US Air, or a Canadian airline they aren’t the same as us and it’s just silly to think they are.
All commuter/regionals are based on ultra low cost labor costs, that’s why it’s a stepping stone to some thing better, we just got trapped in a time where there was no movement, how many would really be here if the pipe line to the majors hadn’t stopped flowing?
A commuter/regional money statagy is dependant on low pay, low average pay, turn over – they want people to leave (longevity).
05-29-2012, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Car Ramrod
You are right Slats. Skywest is a WAY more shiny turd than the other regionals. What a douche...
Where did I ever say SkyWest is the "Camelot" of the regional world? It's simply a much better place to be compared to many of the alternatives ie RAH. There's a reason RAH interviews are a breeze with a signing bonus being offered just to be indentured servants for 2yrs under a training contract. But yup, I'm a douche...
Last edited by Slats; 05-29-2012 at 07:41 AM.
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