Originally Posted by Sturbmaster

Here is a Pinnacle ball breaker

DAY DD DH C FLTNO DPS-ARS DEPT ARRV BLKT GRNT TBLK TDHD TCRD TPAY TDUTY LAYOVER P2160 08/05/12 BSE REPT: 0655 REPORT- 08/05/12 LOCAL Times
Su 05 * 3999 MSP-CVG 0755 1052 0157 038
Su 05 * 4181 CVG-MSP 1130 1229 0159 036
Su 05 * 4306 MSP-LAN 1305 1537 0132 025
Su 05 * 3881 LAN-DTW 1602 1653 0051 319
Su 05 4172 DTW-LAN 2012 2052 0040 0659 0000 0708 0708 1312 LAN 1033
D-END: 2107 (NR 0900) REPORT 0740
Mo 06 * 4295 LAN-DTW 0810 0903 0053 100
Mo 06 3618 DTW-HPN 1003 1150 0147 040
Mo 06 * 3618 HPN-DTW 1230 1423 0153 104
Mo 06 3979 DTW-BUF 1527 1639 0112 026
Mo 06 * 3979 BUF-DTW 1705 1824 0119 148
Mo 06 4172 DTW-LAN 2012 2052 0040 0744 0000 0745 0745 1327 LAN 1033
D-END: 2107 (NR 0900) REPORT 0740
Tu 07 4295 LAN-DTW 0810 0903 0053 103
Tu 07 4222 DTW-BGM 1006 1125 0119 025
Tu 07 4222 BGM-DTW 1150 1315 0125 211
Tu 07 4262 DTW-BGM 1526 1643 0117 025
Tu 07 * 4262 BGM-DTW 1708 1834 0126 057
Tu 07 3986 DTW-CID 1931 2010 0139 0759 0000 0817 0817 1345 CID 935
D-END: 2025 (RR 0800) REPORT 0600
We 08 * 4128 CID-DTW 0630 0911 0141 134
We 08 * 4214 DTW-MSN 1045 1108 0123 040
We 08 * 3904 MSN-MSP 1148 1300 0112 139
We 08 4312 MSP-BRD 1439 1527 0048 025
We 08 4312 BRD-MSP 1552 1650 0058 0602 0000 0558 0558 1105 D-END: 1705
TOTALS BLOCK 2844 DHD 0000 CREDIT HRS. 2908 T.A.F.B. 8210

Originally Posted by BTpilot

Example CRJ2 trip:

DAY1 Show: 1133
DCA-CLT
CLT-MYR
MYR-CLT
CLT-RIC

DAY2 show: 0455
RIC-CLT
CLT-PHF
PHF-CLT
CLT-LEX

DAY3 show: 0643
LEX-CLT
CLT-AGS
AGS-CLT
CLT-CAE

DAY4 show: 0445
CAE-CLT
CLT-HPN
HPN-PHL
PHL-DCA
DCA-ACK
ACK-DCA

BLOCK 20:37
TAFB 77:10

Originally Posted by skylover

Wow. I had no idea how early these show times can be!

Question (oh lord, I sound like Dwight Schrute...): Is the show time the time you have to be at the hotel lobby for the airport shuttle, or the time you actually are at the gate? Because that makes a big difference.

Originally Posted by lolwut

Show time is time at the gate/plane. Thats when your duty starts.

Waking up, getting ready, eating breakfast (good luck finding any this early), riding the hotel shuttle, going through security, and navigating through the airport is all done during your "rest" time.

Depending on the airport/hotel, van departure times can be anywhere from 10 mins to 1 hour before showtime.

Originally Posted by skylover

So that means a 4:45 show time is a 3:00 wakeup. And I'm sure that any kind of free breakfast at the hotel isn't even available then either. If the airline has "PBS" does that mean that you can bid for schedules that have later show times?

Originally Posted by lolwut

Yes, its possible, but that requires seniority. Also, frequently most trips will have at least one wakeup like that. It'll be hard to completely avoid them and in exchange for ridding your schedule of them, you're going to have to give up a lot of bidding power you could've used towards other things that are important to you.

A string of 3ams isn't the worst. The worst is when the first day of your trip has you getting to the hotel past midnight and by the last day you're getting up at 3am for a 14 hour day.

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer, moreso just trying to convey how tough and exhausting the schedules frequently are so that you can make an informed decision and know what you're getting yourself into.

Originally Posted by skylover

Nope, I actually really glad I asked, because it's one thing to talk about schedules conceptually ("bid for a 'good schedule'") and another thing to see them for real. I would guess that's it best to have a late show/early release at each end of the trip, respectively. (Even if you're not commuting)

Also, how important is it to live in base? I mean, hypothetically, if I take a job with XJT, for example, at the ATL base and my goal airline (or the airline that I have a guaranteed interview at - fingers crossed) is Delta, would it make sense to move to Atlanta, if I have no other restraints?

Originally Posted by skylover

Nope, I actually really glad I asked, because it's one thing to talk about schedules conceptually ("bid for a 'good schedule'") and another thing to see them for real. I would guess that's it best to have a late show/early release at each end of the trip, respectively. (Even if you're not commuting)

Also, how important is it to live in base? I mean, hypothetically, if I take a job with XJT, for example, at the ATL base and my goal airline (or the airline that I have a guaranteed interview at - fingers crossed) is Delta, would it make sense to move to Atlanta, if I have no other restraints?

Originally Posted by PCLCREW

Is this Roger Cohan's son? Im mean its so nice you have your dad's picture so nicely displayed.

Your talking about Delta and living in base... let me ask.. do you even have a CPL yet?