Comair to be shut down 9/29
07-28-2012 | 11:50 AM
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One other thing to consider about the depressing news out of Comair. When you couple Comair's demise with the major downsizing at Pinnacle/Colgan and the 1500/ATP rule, you've got to wonder from where the new pilots will come? Why would anyone want to get into an industry that's in upheaval and in the process of significantly upping the work requirments?
Take the pilots leaving and subtract away the pilots entering. If this number is positive, shrink the regionals appropriately to keep them staffed.
Sounds like a solution to the pilot shortage at the regional level. Right now, with Comair shutting down and Pinnacle shrinking, there is a huge supply of well qualified regional airline pilots who need jobs.
07-28-2012 | 12:05 PM
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What's the definition of a "well-respected" regional? They are all flying outsourced major airline routes. When Delta furloughed post 9/11, Comair and ASA grew a lot. What's the respect in that? Comairs MEC held Delta furloughs hostage. What's the respect in that? And two fatal hull losses in a 10 yr timeframe from 1997 to 2006. I don't see how Comair is any more respectable then other regional carriers.
07-28-2012 | 12:12 PM
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What's the definition of a "well-respected" regional? They are all flying outsourced major airline routes. When Delta furloughed post 9/11, Comair and ASA grew a lot. What's the respect in that? Comairs MEC held Delta furloughs hostage. What's the respect in that? And two fatal hull losses in a 10 yr timeframe from 1997 to 2006. I don't see how Comair is any more respectable then other regional carriers.
Many Comair pilots have always walked around with this "We're practically mainline, just flying RJs" attitude and looked down upon their companions at other regionals.
They're no better than any other, except for the fact that every pilot left there has made a bad career decision somewhere along the way... its why they're still there after so long. A regional is a place where jobs are outsourced to until the next bidding cycle. It isn't a career and its foolish to think otherwise, no matter how good things are at the current moment.
07-28-2012 | 01:34 PM
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One has to first remember that ALPA is NOT a union...it's an "association" of individual unions that never adapted to the post deregulation world. Everyone continued to operate under the "I have mine, pull up the ladder" mindset that was focused on personal greed and not true trade unionism, where you truly support your fellow members and in doing so, gain strength and leverage in the industry.
Just ask any EAL pilot who got hired by DAL when DAL took all those EAL jets and gates. You won't find any because DAL's MEC fought against implementing the ALPA merger and fragmentation policy. Ask them about the help they extended to their regional partner pilots for preferential interviews or hiring over the years. Nope, nothing there.
But ask them if the Comair MEC screwed them. You'll get a different story. It's OK for them to screw over others, but they should be bowed down to.
Wait!! It was a different time and a different MEC!!
OK, then let's see what THIS Delta MEC is made of. Let's see them stand up, put the past behind them and go to management and DEMAND that the Comair pilots be given first right of hire.
Don't hold your breath. They're too busy pulling up the ladder.
BTW...history will show that the only MEC and pilot group that had the integrity to go to management and insist on first right of interview and hire should go to EAL pilots?
The UAL MEC under Rick Dubinsky. Several hundred were hired. And they didn't take ONE Eastern airplane.
Just ask any EAL pilot who got hired by DAL when DAL took all those EAL jets and gates. You won't find any because DAL's MEC fought against implementing the ALPA merger and fragmentation policy. Ask them about the help they extended to their regional partner pilots for preferential interviews or hiring over the years. Nope, nothing there.
But ask them if the Comair MEC screwed them. You'll get a different story. It's OK for them to screw over others, but they should be bowed down to.
Wait!! It was a different time and a different MEC!!
OK, then let's see what THIS Delta MEC is made of. Let's see them stand up, put the past behind them and go to management and DEMAND that the Comair pilots be given first right of hire.
Don't hold your breath. They're too busy pulling up the ladder.
BTW...history will show that the only MEC and pilot group that had the integrity to go to management and insist on first right of interview and hire should go to EAL pilots?
The UAL MEC under Rick Dubinsky. Several hundred were hired. And they didn't take ONE Eastern airplane.
07-28-2012 | 01:39 PM
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From Comair's Pilot Agreement, Section 1-3, B.Successorship:
"The company will require any successor resulting from the transfer of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity securities or assets of the company (a "successorship transaction") to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement and to assume and be bound by the Agreement. The company agrees to give written notice of the terms of this Agreement to a proposed successor before concluding any successorship transaction."
Seems like ALPA is not representing the interest of Comair pilots if Delta allows any other pilot group to fly those 28 70s & 90s which comprise 71% of the seating capacity at Comair.
"The company will require any successor resulting from the transfer of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity securities or assets of the company (a "successorship transaction") to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement and to assume and be bound by the Agreement. The company agrees to give written notice of the terms of this Agreement to a proposed successor before concluding any successorship transaction."
Seems like ALPA is not representing the interest of Comair pilots if Delta allows any other pilot group to fly those 28 70s & 90s which comprise 71% of the seating capacity at Comair.
07-28-2012 | 01:43 PM
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From Comair's Pilot Agreement, Section 1-3, B.Successorship:
"The company will require any successor resulting from the transfer of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity securities or assets of the company (a "successorship transaction"
to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement and to assume and be bound by the Agreement. The company agrees to give written notice of the terms of this Agreement to a proposed successor before concluding any successorship transaction."
Seems like ALPA is not representing the interest of Comair pilots if Delta allows any other pilot group to fly those 28 70s & 90s which comprise 71% of the seating capacity at Comair.
"The company will require any successor resulting from the transfer of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity securities or assets of the company (a "successorship transaction"
to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement and to assume and be bound by the Agreement. The company agrees to give written notice of the terms of this Agreement to a proposed successor before concluding any successorship transaction."Seems like ALPA is not representing the interest of Comair pilots if Delta allows any other pilot group to fly those 28 70s & 90s which comprise 71% of the seating capacity at Comair.
07-28-2012 | 01:47 PM
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And how did the saints at EAL treat the Braniff pilots with the South American routes? Hmmm......
One has to first remember that ALPA is NOT a union...it's an "association" of individual unions that never adapted to the post deregulation world. Everyone continued to operate under the "I have mine, pull up the ladder" mindset that was focused on personal greed and not true trade unionism, where you truly support your fellow members and in doing so, gain strength and leverage in the industry.
Just ask any EAL pilot who got hired by DAL when DAL took all those EAL jets and gates. You won't find any because DAL's MEC fought against implementing the ALPA merger and fragmentation policy. Ask them about the help they extended to their regional partner pilots for preferential interviews or hiring over the years. Nope, nothing there.
But ask them if the Comair MEC screwed them. You'll get a different story. It's OK for them to screw over others, but they should be bowed down to.
Wait!! It was a different time and a different MEC!!
OK, then let's see what THIS Delta MEC is made of. Let's see them stand up, put the past behind them and go to management and DEMAND that the Comair pilots be given first right of hire.
Don't hold your breath. They're too busy pulling up the ladder.
BTW...history will show that the only MEC and pilot group that had the integrity to go to management and insist on first right of interview and hire should go to EAL pilots?
The UAL MEC under Rick Dubinsky. Several hundred were hired. And they didn't take ONE Eastern airplane.
Just ask any EAL pilot who got hired by DAL when DAL took all those EAL jets and gates. You won't find any because DAL's MEC fought against implementing the ALPA merger and fragmentation policy. Ask them about the help they extended to their regional partner pilots for preferential interviews or hiring over the years. Nope, nothing there.
But ask them if the Comair MEC screwed them. You'll get a different story. It's OK for them to screw over others, but they should be bowed down to.
Wait!! It was a different time and a different MEC!!
OK, then let's see what THIS Delta MEC is made of. Let's see them stand up, put the past behind them and go to management and DEMAND that the Comair pilots be given first right of hire.
Don't hold your breath. They're too busy pulling up the ladder.
BTW...history will show that the only MEC and pilot group that had the integrity to go to management and insist on first right of interview and hire should go to EAL pilots?
The UAL MEC under Rick Dubinsky. Several hundred were hired. And they didn't take ONE Eastern airplane.
07-28-2012 | 02:06 PM
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Going to a horrible company that treats it's employees like living trash is just as much a risk as trying to make a regional a career. Sometimes it works out for you and sometimes it doesn't.
I know full well that this career takes a few years to shake the stupid off but thinking that seasoned people in this industry need to be reminded that they just lost a hand at the blackjack table is the epitome of naivete.
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