Comair to be shut down 9/29
#12
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
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Anyone sticking around a regional thinking it's a career airline is doing a huge disservice to themselves. The entire business model of a regional airlines is to be competitive with the lowest costs possible, including labor. Most CEO's of regionals have stated this at one time or another, but some of us choose not to listen. The day Comair went on strike Delta decided to shut them down. It was just a matter of time. For those that are still at various regionals, get your time and get out. You will continue to be turned against each other at the expense of management every time your company tries to lower costs to compete and secure a new contract with new, fancy, RJ's. I remember this happening in CVG some years back. DELTA decides to move Comair flying to JFK and add CHQ in CVG. I'm just being myself and saying hello to all the Comair folks and getting ignored or sometimes even getting negative looks from their crew members. WHY? It's because people thought of it as a "career" airlines and that other regionals are taking their jobs. That couldn't be further from the truth. Delta is the big cheese here, so if you want to have some say if your future (just some) then join the big leagues when your time comes and don't settle yourself short! Regional airlines are not, nor ever will be, career airlines!
#13
While it is sad, you cannot say it's anything new in this industry. Did you not see what happened to Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Branniff, etc. pilots?
They were all Major Airlines, not 50 seat RJ operators.
I call it the Churn Game, and the airline CEO's have been playing it for a very long time. Delta's Richard Anderson was a Lawyer at CAL, working for Frank Lorenzo back when they took Eastern apart.
When ever one group stands up to Management;
Schwack!
Chopped up and sold off.
So, what's ALPA National's PLAN going forward??
They haven't had a plan to deal with this whipsawing, since deregulation in 1978.
Why not?
How many "Strategic Planing Committee" guys does ALPA National employ? And why? Where is the National SOS? That is the only 'hammer' we have, but there has NEVER been any talk of actually using it.
And don't be surprised when Cabotage raises it's ugly head in the next 10 years...
They were all Major Airlines, not 50 seat RJ operators.
I call it the Churn Game, and the airline CEO's have been playing it for a very long time. Delta's Richard Anderson was a Lawyer at CAL, working for Frank Lorenzo back when they took Eastern apart.
When ever one group stands up to Management;
Schwack!
Chopped up and sold off.
So, what's ALPA National's PLAN going forward??
They haven't had a plan to deal with this whipsawing, since deregulation in 1978.
Why not?
How many "Strategic Planing Committee" guys does ALPA National employ? And why? Where is the National SOS? That is the only 'hammer' we have, but there has NEVER been any talk of actually using it.
And don't be surprised when Cabotage raises it's ugly head in the next 10 years...
#14
A little insensitive given the gravity of this thread.
My heart goes out to my Comair family. I have missed you all since I left. I hope Delta's final stab at you clears the turbulent air they have forced us all to ride since 1999. Godspeed.
My heart goes out to my Comair family. I have missed you all since I left. I hope Delta's final stab at you clears the turbulent air they have forced us all to ride since 1999. Godspeed.
#15
Godspeed Comair guys. The end of an era.
I will cannot say that I am shocked, or surprised...but this is saddening. I wonder what those guys were seeing that thought all these rumors were just tactics? Or who saw nothing but good ahead for Comair?
I will cannot say that I am shocked, or surprised...but this is saddening. I wonder what those guys were seeing that thought all these rumors were just tactics? Or who saw nothing but good ahead for Comair?
#16
Condolences
I am sorry to hear that people will be losing their jobs and wish them well in their search for new and hopefully better employment.
I agree with the previous poster: a regional job is an intermediate stepping stone to greater opportunity and prosperity at a bigger, more stable, carrier that offers the best pay, benefits, and flying. The best places to be change from year to year....Regionals were never envisioned nor meant to be a long term career.
Unions are never perfect but I view it as a lesser of evils. Who are you going to trust? A group of your democratically elected peers who represent you or do you place your faith in company management?
I agree with the previous poster: a regional job is an intermediate stepping stone to greater opportunity and prosperity at a bigger, more stable, carrier that offers the best pay, benefits, and flying. The best places to be change from year to year....Regionals were never envisioned nor meant to be a long term career.
Unions are never perfect but I view it as a lesser of evils. Who are you going to trust? A group of your democratically elected peers who represent you or do you place your faith in company management?
#17
First they came for ACA, and I didn't speak out because I didn't work for ACA.
Then they came for AWAC, and I didn't speak out because I didn't work for AWAC.
Then they came for Mesaba, and I didn't speak out because I didn't work for Mesaba.
etc etc etc.
Best wishes to all Comair employees going forward...
Then they came for AWAC, and I didn't speak out because I didn't work for AWAC.
Then they came for Mesaba, and I didn't speak out because I didn't work for Mesaba.
etc etc etc.
Best wishes to all Comair employees going forward...
#18
PJFLyer has it spot on. I don't wish the job loss and stress on the Comair families but it is what it is. As long as the regionals don't own the flying that they do, they will be subject to things like this from the major that does own the routes and flights. Anyone thinking that a regional airline is a career spot is grossly misguided. Colgan going away. Comair going away. Who's next? Wait and see. It's actually what is needed in this industry. All flying should be done at the majors and ALL pilots should be employed by majors. No more whip sawing!
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