Comair to be shut down 9/29
07-27-2012, 05:35 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
Delta pilots struck a deal which will f<#€ thousands of guys. OH is the latest. We all want to move on. Fine. But be intellectually honest and call it for what it is.
Anderson is laughing himself to sleep tonight knowing that regional and mainline ALPA guys are taking swings at each other over this.
But I appreciate the condolences guys.
07-27-2012, 05:47 PM
#52
Sho me da money!
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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
Sure...I believe all Delta flying was done by Delta before comair. No surprise. But today, regionals provide a real benefit to the company. They provide cash and flexibility. Management AND mainline pilots use regional pilots as pawns. That's the point.
Regionals have a place in this industry. Newcomers need to remove their blinders and realize lot of other groups have an interest in marginalizing regionals. Management threatens outsourcing and mainline pilots want the growth of customer base RJ's provide but not the threat of outsourcing.
Delta pilots struck a deal which will f<#€ thousands of guys. OH is the latest. We all want to move on. Fine. But be intellectually honest and call it for what it is.
Regionals have a place in this industry. Newcomers need to remove their blinders and realize lot of other groups have an interest in marginalizing regionals. Management threatens outsourcing and mainline pilots want the growth of customer base RJ's provide but not the threat of outsourcing.
Delta pilots struck a deal which will f<#€ thousands of guys. OH is the latest. We all want to move on. Fine. But be intellectually honest and call it for what it is.
Delta pilots don't owe you anything! As a 10 year regional guy ( now at DAL, and I voted yes), I have never understood why any pilot at any regional thinks they are owed anything. You provide a contract service for a fee. Bottom line, DAL pilots took back many RJ jobs, (not enough) if you see that as a huge F you, maybe you should take a step back and look at the big picture!
I mean seriously, you want us to give away even more RJ jobs so you can stay at whatever job you have now???
BTW I do not like it that good employees and pilots are being terminated. Never a good thing and never easy for families and careers. Justamushroom is way off base in my opinion and seems to be falling into the world is not fair to me BS.
Last edited by FIIGMO; 07-27-2012 at 06:11 PM. Reason: clarify
07-27-2012, 06:11 PM
#53
Derp...
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Timbo is right here guys. I'm very sorry so many of you will be out of work, but it's happening at a pivotal time in the industry. I've written pages of papers based on this very issue (airlines post-deregulation and the introduction of the RJ as a feeder) in my economics class (masters).
The industry is changing, for the better, just keep the faith and watch the opportunities that present themselves in the next five years. Everything is cyclical, and your boat is coming in. Delta just made it easier for a lot of you because you are free to pick and choose now. I know this probably doesn't make the news any easier, but it will work out. It always does.
The industry is changing, for the better, just keep the faith and watch the opportunities that present themselves in the next five years. Everything is cyclical, and your boat is coming in. Delta just made it easier for a lot of you because you are free to pick and choose now. I know this probably doesn't make the news any easier, but it will work out. It always does.
07-27-2012, 06:20 PM
#54
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I'm a 21 year Regional guy, and I make pretty good money at this level. Gotta admit, though, that FIIGMO has a point. Regional feed is outsourced flying on behalf of the mainline. If mainline management decides to bring back all flying in house and we all lose our jobs tomorrow, that's the way it goes.
There's never any guarantee in this business. Ever. Especially when your company's business model depends on feeding another airline.
Now, there do seem to be some mainline pilots who take a very cavalier attitude toward those who will be on the street. So, should I give a rat's ass about any other mainline pilot's job? No.
There's never any guarantee in this business. Ever. Especially when your company's business model depends on feeding another airline.
Now, there do seem to be some mainline pilots who take a very cavalier attitude toward those who will be on the street. So, should I give a rat's ass about any other mainline pilot's job? No.
07-27-2012, 06:37 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
Delta pilots don't owe you anything! As a 10 year regional guy ( now at DAL, and I voted yes), I have never understood why any pilot at any regional thinks they are owed anything. You provide a contract service for a fee. Bottom line, DAL pilots took back many RJ jobs, (not enough) if you see that as a huge F you, maybe you should take a step back and look at the big picture!
I mean seriously, you want us to give away even more RJ jobs so you can stay at whatever job you have now???
BTW I do not like it that good employees and pilots are being terminated. Never a good thing and never easy for families and careers. Justamushroom is way off base in my opinion and seems to be falling into the world is not fair to me BS.
I mean seriously, you want us to give away even more RJ jobs so you can stay at whatever job you have now???
BTW I do not like it that good employees and pilots are being terminated. Never a good thing and never easy for families and careers. Justamushroom is way off base in my opinion and seems to be falling into the world is not fair to me BS.
07-27-2012, 06:40 PM
#56
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As we often find out when we meet somebody else from a different pilot group we are all more the same than we are different. Wouldn't wish this on anyone. Thanks to all the professionals over there that gave me a ride to work just because I do the same thing that they do or shared a stupidly over priced coffee in the wee hours of the morning at some random outstation. I have met more good folks than bad in this industry and have been the reciepient of more random acts of kindness than any banker or school teacher can ever hope for. One day maybe EVERYONE will get the stones to just set the brakes for all of our own good.
07-27-2012, 06:45 PM
#57
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My overall concern is how can a union representing 2 companies doing the same job can help one get a new contract and yet let the other one be dismantled. Quite a conflict of interest. I would love a dues refund for the last 6 years as well as the extra $240 for the merger contigency fund. The remaining ALPA regionals would be smart to get out of ALPA completely if they want to survive.
I do not feel entitled to a Delta job btw. Never did. I have my 3 reference letters in place and I hope to get to interview just like the next guy. I hopefully have a job lined up that will wash some of the Comair stench off my resume.
Today was finally some closure. They have kept us in the dark for years. Glad it's over with finally! 6 years of abuse finally stops!
I do not feel entitled to a Delta job btw. Never did. I have my 3 reference letters in place and I hope to get to interview just like the next guy. I hopefully have a job lined up that will wash some of the Comair stench off my resume.
Today was finally some closure. They have kept us in the dark for years. Glad it's over with finally! 6 years of abuse finally stops!
07-27-2012, 07:04 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by gojo
I do see that as a huge F you. You yourself said that you worked at a regional for 10 years. Now it seems like you and many others at Delta are forgetting your roots. The regional feed you hate, helped get you to where you are today. I agree that it got out of control, and that it needs to shift back towards mainline, but don't you think that a more gradual approach we be more appropriate? Good people are being affected at a bad time in aviation. Your CEO, RA, is a cold hearted calculating SOB that only sees dollar signs, and that attitude seems to be spreading throughout the Delta pilot group. The Delta pilot's reputation of arrogance seems to have caught up with you also.
07-27-2012, 07:05 PM
#60
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On a serious note, anyone here know any of the reps to ask a serious question about the merger assessment fund? Now that a lot of people are going to be out of a job I'm sure they could use the money. I just want it back because it was such a waste of money in the first place.
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