Eagle TA
08-09-2012, 01:45 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 332
I am a BIG NO for so many reasons. Our union is weak, I just hope our pilots have the intelligence to see thru this. There is NO fleet plan or any guarantee of any amount of flying. Sure there is enhanced "Flow", but what good is that when there is no hiring or a merger takes place an hiring gets prolonged even longer.
This proposal is a giant turd all around.
Take it to the judge!
This proposal is a giant turd all around.
Take it to the judge!
08-09-2012, 02:23 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 87
So they offer AA crap, then threaten an even larger pile of crap while offering Eagle something "not so bad", complete with the rates for larger RJs that APA voted to avoid being outsourced. How's that for a run-on sentence? And how's all that going to workout for the relationship between AE and AA? Beware Eagle guys! I feel for you guys... Not easy times. Truly hope the best for all of you.
08-09-2012, 03:30 PM
#14
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
Originally Posted by jumpseat2024
Just skimmed through it..did I miss something big? Looks alright..PBS is the biggest difference..no pay or longevity cuts..also it's the first time I've seen anything that says CRJ900 and EMB175 in black and white.
08-09-2012, 05:30 PM
#16
Kept down by the man
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 657
I am in no way a cheerleader for this TA, but those of you saying "take it to the judge" need to look at how these things have gone in the past. It NEVER works out in the pilot group's favor. Yes we will be able to negotiate a new contract after we emerge from BK, you have to remember how long it takes to get a GOOD contract negotiated. It takes SEVERAL years. Can you live under the AMR term sheet for possibly 2-5 years?
Just playing devil's advocate. I think there is still work to be done, but it looks much better than it did at the beginning.
Just playing devil's advocate. I think there is still work to be done, but it looks much better than it did at the beginning.
08-09-2012, 05:58 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Reclined
Posts: 2,168
Originally Posted by Stryker
I am in no way a cheerleader for this TA, but those of you saying "take it to the judge" need to look at how these things have gone in the past. It NEVER works out in the pilot group's favor. Yes we will be able to negotiate a new contract after we emerge from BK, you have to remember how long it takes to get a GOOD contract negotiated. It takes SEVERAL years. Can you live under the AMR term sheet for possibly 2-5 years?
Just playing devil's advocate. I think there is still work to be done, but it looks much better than it did at the beginning.
Just playing devil's advocate. I think there is still work to be done, but it looks much better than it did at the beginning.
Grow a pair and stop lowering the bar. We took the stand, why don't you support us for a change and stand up for your profession.
08-09-2012, 06:57 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: back in the right
Posts: 406
I want to see some contract language before making up my mind, but that is certainly a lot better then the 1113 term sheet. I'll have to study it some more but could vote yes based on what I've seen.
08-09-2012, 07:17 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Barbie Jet Driver
Posts: 74
[QUOTE=love2av8;1242863]I am a BIG NO for so many reasons. Our union is weak, I just hope our pilots have the intelligence to see thru this. There is NO fleet plan or any guarantee of any amount of flying. Sure there is enhanced "Flow", but what good is that when there is no hiring or a merger takes place an hiring gets prolonged even longer.
This proposal is a giant turd all around.
Take it to the judge
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