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DFW airport is hiring "SkyLink Control Center Operator" and "Parking Citation Administrator". Both pay more than my 5 year Jet FO pay rate at AE!
Crazy! And your home every night. Something is wrong with this picture! |
Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen
(Post 1259055)
AA and APA will cease flying for AMR. AMR, by using AE, will accept large orders of new A320s and B737's and pay us at Republic E190 pay rates. 500 APA pilots will remain to fly B777 and B787. You heard it hear first!
(I am kidding) I do admire APA for standing their ground and hope AE will follow their lead! |
Originally Posted by bgmann
(Post 1259058)
DFW airport is hiring "SkyLink Control Center Operator" and "Parking Citation Administrator". Both pay more than my 5 year Jet FO pay rate at AE!
Crazy! And your home every night. Something is wrong with this picture! |
Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1259015)
Nah, the closing MIA ATR base had no warn letters. No one is getting laid off....yet, plus they still have the warn letters to all the DFW ATR pilots to cover the furloughed.
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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1259205)
WARN Act letters are not required if there are no layoffs. Additonally, there is only a 60 day notice requirement.
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what is the AEPA? I wish we could get these LEC reps and MEC leadership out. I cant recalled the last time an LEC meeting was held down here in MIA. |
Originally Posted by be76flyer
(Post 1246688)
I think you both need to read Judge Lane's full ruling before you say he is thoughtful or will only give AMR average. Judge Lane will give AMR anything they ask for as long as they show him why they need it. Read his full ruling and then tell me we aren't F-ed.
This is the AMR bankruptcy, and each unit of AMR will be treated the same. It's only fair. In reviewing your current contract, which has had 2 or 3 amendent rounds from when I was there, and your TA, and comparing Eagle to others in your segment of the industry as reported to various federal agencies like DOT, SEC, FAA... it seems to me that AMR has reported your unit of AMR as profitable 10 out of 12 years; has reported your labor costs as in the top third but not outside the industry standards; has reported that your overall costs are within market rates, and also has announced their intention to sell/spin/divest Eagle which all together means there is not only no need to gut your contracts; but your existing situation doesn't meet the requirement for aborgation either. This ruling did not come out until mid August, and by then your union had already committed to a course of action, had already made an agreement in priciple, and the lawyers had already agreed as well. I'm told ALPA stands to get a 7 million dollar payent from AMR if you guys sign a consensual CBA soon. No wonder their lawyers are saying not to fight. Was it the Mesa guys that took no concession during BK? It has happened. Your MEC is focused on helping AMR sell/spin/divest Eagle because they feel that having work feeding multiple mainlines is a better business plan. They convieniently leave out that not one single owned regional has ever been spun off under that business model and succeded. The closest was expressjet, and they were bought from the brink of bankruptcy by Skywest. The reality is that the APA has made attempts to contract your MEC. As recently as January. Our phone calls, and messages never get returned. We hear rumors that your MEC chairman claims to have had an open line with our past president, and that your negotiating committe, and mergers guy routinely talk with us. Well, I can tell you without a doubt that our Board of Directors have never heard one peep from any of them. Our negotiators and president are obligated to report the the Board of Diretors any such offers, and there have not been any. Calling our president's office and verifying you have the right number, or talking with our negotiators and saying like a little kid would say wouldn't it be cool if we could work together, isn't going to be taken seriously. Our officials left messages with your MEC, and they never returned our calls; that is fact. Our BOD as recently as this week was approached by one of your LEC volunteers to inquire about all this, and was shocked to learn his MEC chairman, merger guy, and negotiating chairman had all misrepresented the truth to your MEC, and that both unions could have been working together all this time towards one list; or at the very least together against AMR. In our opinion, after we learned that your chairman prefers the idea of divesting and doing multiple feed contracts to multiple airlines; we realized why they never returned our calls. If we unified and became one list, in all probability we would also become one union. This means your union guys lose their jobs; the ALPA VP of Administration Bill Couette (an Eagle pilot) loses his cushy job; but most importantly, AMR would be less able to sell or divest you if you were all APA pilots on one list. This is why your union ignored us, refused to return calls, and misrepresented and lied to you all during this entire process. This week, after the LEC volunteer contacted us, our BOD did meet and the Eagle issue was revisited. At this time, due to the current state of our company; with our contract abrogated, and your union effectively split in half and fighting non-stop with eachother; it was decided that what would have been beneficial for all parties earleir this year; is now too late to get anything done fast enough to stop what's already in motion. It is unfortunate that the selfish desires of a few top leaders of your union have so effectively ruined any hope of creating a single stronger airline; and that they have essentially destined you all to be contract feed providers. We have been provided a list of names of your top union officials. I can assure you, that divested or not, street hires or flow thu's... their names will be known, and they will be welcomed accordingly. |
WOW..........
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That union is rotten to the core. Many believe they are in bed with their management and it wouldn't surprise me if that is one reason why they have gone groundhog on working with APA. AMR doesn't want any cooperation between these two pilots groups and it would seem the best way to do that is target those who can be bought off the easiest. Truly too bad for Eagle pilots.
I guess 7 million was the final price. :cool: |
Originally Posted by be76flyer
(Post 1246688)
I think you both need to read Judge Lane's full ruling before you say he is thoughtful or will only give AMR average. Judge Lane will give AMR anything they ask for as long as they show him why they need it. Read his full ruling and then tell me we aren't F-ed.
excuse me for interjecting into your affairs; but several friends have provided me a copy of your TA. I have read the judges rulings, in detail, which you obviuously haven't. On each issue where he justified abrogating our contract, he explained why our contract did not risk breaking any of the requirements that were needed to do so. Primarilly, it was due to us being above inndustry standard at the time; and this was a point our BOD conceeded was correct at the time. This is the AMR bankruptcy, and each unit of AMR will be treated the same. It's only fair. In reviewing your current contract, which has had 2 or 3 amendent rounds from when I was there, and your TA, and comparing Eagle to others in your segment of the industry as reported to various federal agencies like DOT, SEC, FAA... it seems to me that AMR has reported your unit of AMR as profitable 10 out of 12 years; has reported your labor costs as in the top third but not outside the industry standards; has reported that your overall costs are within market rates, and also has announced their intention to sell/spin/divest Eagle which all together means there is not only no need to gut your contracts; but your existing situation doesn't meet the requirement for aborgation either. This ruling did not come out until mid August, and by then your union had already committed to a course of action, had already made an agreement in priciple, and the lawyers had already agreed as well. I'm told ALPA stands to get a 7 million dollar payent from AMR if you guys sign a consensual CBA soon. No wonder their lawyers are saying not to fight. Was it the Mesa guys that took no concession during BK? It has happened. Your MEC is focused on helping AMR sell/spin/divest Eagle because they feel that having work feeding multiple mainlines is a better business plan. They convieniently leave out that not one single owned regional has ever been spun off under that business model and succeded. The closest was expressjet, and they were bought from the brink of bankruptcy by Skywest. The reality is that the APA has made attempts to contract your MEC. As recently as January. Our phone calls, and messages never get returned. We hear rumors that your MEC chairman claims to have had an open line with our past president, and that your negotiating committe, and mergers guy routinely talk with us. Well, I can tell you without a doubt that our Board of Directors have never heard one peep from any of them. Our negotiators and president are obligated to report the the Board of Diretors any such offers, and there have not been any. Calling our president's office and verifying you have the right number, or talking with our negotiators and saying like a little kid would say wouldn't it be cool if we could work together, isn't going to be taken seriously. Our officials left messages with your MEC, and they never returned our calls; that is fact. Our BOD as recently as this week was approached by one of your LEC volunteers to inquire about all this, and was shocked to learn his MEC chairman, merger guy, and negotiating chairman had all misrepresented the truth to your MEC, and that both unions could have been working together all this time towards one list; or at the very least together against AMR. In our opinion, after we learned that your chairman prefers the idea of divesting and doing multiple feed contracts to multiple airlines; we realized why they never returned our calls. If we unified and became one list, in all probability we would also become one union. This means your union guys lose their jobs; the ALPA VP of Administration Bill Couette (an Eagle pilot) loses his cushy job; but most importantly, AMR would be less able to sell or divest you if you were all APA pilots on one list. This is why your union ignored us, refused to return calls, and misrepresented and lied to you all during this entire process. This week, after the LEC volunteer contacted us, our BOD did meet and the Eagle issue was revisited. At this time, due to the current state of our company; with our contract abrogated, and your union effectively split in half and fighting non-stop with eachother; it was decided that what would have been beneficial for all parties earleir this year; is now too late to get anything done fast enough to stop what's already in motion. It is unfortunate that the selfish desires of a few top leaders of your union have so effectively ruined any hope of creating a single stronger airline; and that they have essentially destined you all to be contract feed providers. We have been provided a list of names of your top union officials. I can assure you, that divested or not, street hires or flow thu's... their names will be known, and they will be welcomed accordingly. I guess our MEC is worst than I thought!!! |
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