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lakehouse 10-20-2012 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1280029)
Keep thing that any regional has a better product. PNCL/eagle/Asa/ whoever is no better

Its just not true, even UAL in the past has dropped MESA because of the product. It is why GOJET or MESA does not do 70% of UAL feed but instead Skywest airlines do. Same at DAL it is from reliable products with a few small airlines that pay less, have a less reliable product and low costs to whipsaw everyone else. Did you not look at that entire thread from the analyst lady about this? I am sorry if it hurts your feeling, however mainlines put the majority of their feed at a reliable product, even at a slightly higher cost, however they keep some bottom feeders in the mix to keep everyone in line. However its very clear why TS/MESA/CHQ/GOJET/Silver is not doing any real numbers for any airline.

BlueMoon 10-21-2012 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1280221)
Its just not true, even UAL in the past has dropped MESA because of the product. It is why GOJET or MESA does not do 70% of UAL feed but instead Skywest airlines do. Same at DAL it is from reliable products with a few small airlines that pay less, have a less reliable product and low costs to whipsaw everyone else. Did you not look at that entire thread from the analyst lady about this? I am sorry if it hurts your feeling, however mainlines put the majority of their feed at a reliable product, even at a slightly higher cost, however they keep some bottom feeders in the mix to keep everyone in line. However its very clear why TS/MESA/CHQ/GOJET/Silver is not doing any real numbers for any airline.

Doesn't hurt my feelings, actually makes me laugh at you. The fact Skywest loaned Ual 80mil (and defered collecting 30+ mil in fees) might have a little to do with the fact they have do much flying.

Also, economies of scale make these larger regional airlines cheaper per hour than the smaller "bottom feeders", not necessarily more reliable.

Didn't you just vote for a concessionary contract at eagle? And you are going to call other airlines bottom feeders?

ShyGuy 10-21-2012 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1280015)
ShyGuy, GoJets is exactly the same today as it was when it was formed. It is being used as a pawn against other airlines and pilot groups which is EXACTLY why it was formed in the first place. GoJets started as an alter ego and it still is an alter ego, just on a much bigger scale. I don't see Compass, which is it closest competitor in longevity, flying for United, American, or Airways. Therefore, GoJets is the exact same airline it was when it was formed and its virus like tendencies are spreading at an alarming rate.

All regionals are pawns in this industry. You are fooling yourself to point fingers to any one regional. GoJets was initially United Express, and now has picked up Delta Connection flying. So? Pinnacle swept in as a NW Airlink-only airline, and then undercut ASA at ATL at a below-cost contract for the ATL base 16 CRJ-900s. Remember how ASA pilots felt after that? How is GoJets different? So Pinnacle leached from one carrier to another mainline customer by undercutting ASA, but GoJets leaching out from one carrier to another mainline customer (Delta Connection) is somehow different?

Same crap, rinsed and repeated.

What 10-22-2012 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.

AMR has an RFP out for 255 large regional jets. Just a rumor, but I've heard AMR is not even considering TSA Holdings due to past American Connection issues with TSA

How do you figure AMR has an RFP for 255 large RJ? This was the 1113 SCOPE, the company chose to implement the TA SCOPE and thus it equals a different amount, stop spreading lies. There are likely RFPs out there for a good chunk of large RJ but please don't spread crap when is not true.

Just because AMR doesn't supposedly want to do with business with TSH doesn't mean they won't listen. GoJet and Compass have some of the lowest employee cost out there and you know they will use this to their advantage even if they don't pick them, also if AMR is to work a trade for the ERJs with Embraer for Ejets you want more than RAH to be able to whipsaw.

CANAM 10-22-2012 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.

Quality doesn't matter and being more expensive is a bad thing. The flying public couldn't care less which regional they're flying on. The tickets are bought at XXXair.com. Price is king.

Trip7 10-22-2012 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM:1280702

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.

Quality doesn't matter and being more expensive is a bad thing. The flying public couldn't care less which regional they're flying on. The tickets are bought at XXXair.com. Price is king.

Worked well for Mesa

Trip7 10-22-2012 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by What:1280694

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.

AMR has an RFP out for 255 large regional jets. Just a rumor, but I've heard AMR is not even considering TSA Holdings due to past American Connection issues with TSA

How do you figure AMR has an RFP for 255 large RJ? This was the 1113 SCOPE, the company chose to implement the TA SCOPE and thus it equals a different amount, stop spreading lies. There are likely RFPs out there for a good chunk of large RJ but please don't spread crap when is not true.

Just because AMR doesn't supposedly want to do with business with TSH doesn't mean they won't listen. GoJet and Compass have some of the lowest employee cost out there and you know they will use this to their advantage even if they don't pick them, also if AMR is to work a trade for the ERJs with Embraer for Ejets you want more than RAH to be able to whipsaw.

You're absolutely right about the 255 number. But we can agree that there is an RFP out for a very large amount of AMR large RJ flying that will probably be divided up between a couple regionals.

Low employee costs is a good advantage, but not everything. Economy of scale is also a significant advantage. Companies like Skywest Inc(especially with their credit rating) can get superior deals on aircraft financing better than mainline carriers themselves, let alone TS Holdings. They can get better deals with vendors for parts, office supplies etc. All together it can easily close the gap on a small carrier having low employee costs. I can start a discont store in ATL with all new employees at minimum wage but am I going to topple Wal-mart?

Confused 10-22-2012 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280820)
You're absolutely right about the 255 number. But we can agree that there is an RFP out for a very large amount of AMR large RJ flying that will probably be divided up between a couple regionals.

Low employee costs is a good advantage, but not everything. Economy of scale is also a significant advantage. Companies like Skywest Inc(especially with their credit rating) can get superior deals on aircraft financing better than mainline carriers themselves, let alone TS Holdings. They can get better deals with vendors for parts, office supplies etc. All together it can easily close the gap on a small carrier having low employee costs. I can start a discont store in ATL with all new employees at minimum wage but am I going to topple Wal-mart?

Yes, yes you are

erjdrivin 10-23-2012 01:57 PM

Announcement expected next week. The company has scheduled a call-in with the CEO and COO for Oct 30th.

The latest rumor is that 10 CRJs are coming from Europe to operate for AE out of LAX.

Pilotguy143 10-24-2012 09:24 AM

phone call scheduled for Oct. 30th. No other information given.


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