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doofenshmirtz 10-19-2012 08:35 PM

And pilots tripping over each other to go there, truly sad!

seafeye 10-19-2012 09:50 PM

The difference is go jet..... Is an alter ego airline. Who wouldn't exist if people had the integrity to not work there. It's an airline funded by TSA pilots. Very different than express 1.

ShyGuy 10-19-2012 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1279850)
The difference is go jet..... Is an alter ego airline. Who wouldn't exist if people had the integrity to not work there. It's an airline funded by TSA pilots. Very different than express 1.

TSA pilots aren't funding anything. Trans States Holdings owns TSA, GoJets, and Compass. GoJets started as an alter ego, but only because TSA's MEC decided that management was bluffing and decided to call them out on it. It didn't work. Hulas wanted the 70 seaters flown for a certain rate, and he was going to get it one way or another. Anyway, GoJets today isn't what GoJets was back when it first formed. And enough about "integrity" when it comes to working at a regional airline. All of us *****d ourselves out by accepting crappy regional airline wages in hopes to one day 'get ahead' in the industry.

CANAM 10-20-2012 03:40 AM

GoJet will be the most successful regional airline, that is, until the next lower cost airline emerges. This WILL happen, thus, continuing the downward slide of this industry. If you work for one of these companies, you are part of the problem and are slitting your own throat for VERY short term gain.

Moonwolf 10-20-2012 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1279864)
GoJet will be the most successful regional airline, that is, until the next lower cost airline emerges. This WILL happen, thus, continuing the downward slide of this industry. If you work for one of these companies, you are part of the problem and are slitting your own throat for VERY short term gain.

amen brotha

ross9238 10-20-2012 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1279864)
If you work for one of these companies, you are part of the problem and are slitting your own throat for VERY short term gain.

Is that all regionals or just a particular few? If you are saying all regionals, then what is the alternative that you suggest to get to mainline other than military?

lakehouse 10-20-2012 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1279864)
GoJet will be the most successful regional airline, that is, until the next lower cost airline emerges. This WILL happen, thus, continuing the downward slide of this industry. If you work for one of these companies, you are part of the problem and are slitting your own throat for VERY short term gain.

If you look at the thread by that analyst lady you actually see that at almost all the majors, the feed provided is broken down into a common setup. One or two 'better' regional's such as Skywest/XJET/PNCL/Eagle do the VAST majority of the feed, typically 60%+, sometimes over 80%. Then the remaining feed is broken down in small amounts to one or two crud product RJ airlines such as CHQ or TSH/GJET. Its clear their product is not something the mainlines want representing the express/connection/eagle brand, but they do want them there to whipsaw and keep the others in line. I dont think you will see GOJET become the main provider anywhere for that reason, and they may soon be approaching the end of their growth as they are maxing out on what they can do. Not to mention soon those pesky employees are going to start asking for something at least equal to EVERY OTHER RJ airline.

Trip7 10-20-2012 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM:1279864
GoJet will be the most successful regional airline, that is, until the next lower cost airline emerges. This WILL happen, thus, continuing the downward slide of this industry. If you work for one of these companies, you are part of the problem and are slitting your own throat for VERY short term gain.

When was the last time GoJet got won flying with self financed planes? The UAL 700s? TS Holdings is small private company that runs on a thin budget. They will be given a small amount planes here and there just to keep the bigger guys costs in check.

Trip7 10-20-2012 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86:1279897

Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1279864)
GoJet will be the most successful regional airline, that is, until the next lower cost airline emerges. This WILL happen, thus, continuing the downward slide of this industry. If you work for one of these companies, you are part of the problem and are slitting your own throat for VERY short term gain.

If you look at the thread by that analyst lady you actually see that at almost all the majors, the feed provided is broken down into a common setup. One or two 'better' regional's such as Skywest/XJET/PNCL/Eagle do the VAST majority of the feed, typically 60%+, sometimes over 80%. Then the remaining feed is broken down in small amounts to one or two crud product RJ airlines such as CHQ or TSH/GJET. Its clear their product is not something the mainlines want representing the express/connection/eagle brand, but they do want them there to whipsaw and keep the others in line. I dont think you will see GOJET become the main provider anywhere for that reason, and they may soon be approaching the end of their growth as they are maxing out on what they can do. Not to mention soon those pesky employees are going to start asking for something at least equal to EVERY OTHER RJ airline.

Well said. My thoughts exactly. Many people say all regionals are the same but the operation of a GoJet vs Skywest Inc regional is like night and day. One does the bare bare minimum to operate daily and another provides a high quality operation at a reasonable cost.

MunkyButtr 10-20-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1279853)
TSA pilots aren't funding anything. Trans States Holdings owns TSA, GoJets, and Compass. GoJets started as an alter ego, but only because TSA's MEC decided that management was bluffing and decided to call them out on it. It didn't work. Hulas wanted the 70 seaters flown for a certain rate, and he was going to get it one way or another. Anyway, GoJets today isn't what GoJets was back when it first formed. And enough about "integrity" when it comes to working at a regional airline. All of us *****d ourselves out by accepting crappy regional airline wages in hopes to one day 'get ahead' in the industry.

ShyGuy, GoJets is exactly the same today as it was when it was formed. It is being used as a pawn against other airlines and pilot groups which is EXACTLY why it was formed in the first place. GoJets started as an alter ego and it still is an alter ego, just on a much bigger scale. I don't see Compass, which is it closest competitor in longevity, flying for United, American, or Airways. Therefore, GoJets is the exact same airline it was when it was formed and its virus like tendencies are spreading at an alarming rate.


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