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MunkyButtr 10-20-2012 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by ross9238 (Post 1279894)
Is that all regionals or just a particular few? If you are saying all regionals, then what is the alternative that you suggest to get to mainline other than military?
Does it have to be legal?

BlueMoon 10-20-2012 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1279897)
If you look at the thread by that analyst lady you actually see that at almost all the majors, the feed provided is broken down into a common setup. One or two 'better' regional's such as Skywest/XJET/PNCL/Eagle do the VAST majority of the feed, typically 60%+, sometimes over 80%. Then the remaining feed is broken down in small amounts to one or two crud product RJ airlines such as CHQ or TSH/GJET. Its clear their product is not something the mainlines want representing the express/connection/eagle brand, but they do want them there to whipsaw and keep the others in line. I dont think you will see GOJET become the main provider anywhere for that reason, and they may soon be approaching the end of their growth as they are maxing out on what they can do. Not to mention soon those pesky employees are going to start asking for something at least equal to EVERY OTHER RJ airline.
Keep thing that any regional has a better product. PNCL/eagle/Asa/ whoever is no better

Trip7 10-20-2012 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by BlueMoon:1280029
Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1279897)
If you look at the thread by that analyst lady you actually see that at almost all the majors, the feed provided is broken down into a common setup. One or two 'better' regional's such as Skywest/XJET/PNCL/Eagle do the VAST majority of the feed, typically 60%+, sometimes over 80%. Then the remaining feed is broken down in small amounts to one or two crud product RJ airlines such as CHQ or TSH/GJET. Its clear their product is not something the mainlines want representing the express/connection/eagle brand, but they do want them there to whipsaw and keep the others in line. I dont think you will see GOJET become the main provider anywhere for that reason, and they may soon be approaching the end of their growth as they are maxing out on what they can do. Not to mention soon those pesky employees are going to start asking for something at least equal to EVERY OTHER RJ airline.
Keep thing that any regional has a better product. PNCL/eagle/Asa/ whoever is no better
yes there are regionals that are better

Fly782 10-20-2012 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280034)
yes there are regionals that are better
Yes but bigger doesnt mean better... Rickt seems to think so though.

Trip7 10-20-2012 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by Fly782:1280048
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280034)
yes there are regionals that are better
Yes but bigger doesnt mean better... Rickt seems to think so though.
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.

AMR has an RFP out for 255 large regional jets. Just a rumor, but I've heard AMR is not even considering TSA Holdings due to past American Connection issues with TSA

Boomer 10-20-2012 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.
For example, Comair has 60% of Delta's regional flying.

Oops, I meant they had 60%. I wonder if "more expensive" is why that percentage changed.

BlueMoon 10-20-2012 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280034)
yes there are regionals that are better
Oh silly misguided arrogance

Trip7 10-20-2012 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Boomer:1280106
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.
For example, Comair has 60% of Delta's regional flying.

Oops, I meant they had 60%. I wonder if "more expensive" is why that percentage changed.
Comair had unfortunate problem of being wholly owned. DAL is not a regional airline specialist. Comair was an after thought. Comair couldn't expand their flying outside the Delta Connection portfolio. Their unit costs must have skyrocketed to an unreasonable level

Comair is one end of the spectrum, Mesa is the other end. A regional finding the right cost balance while maintaining a decent quality operation will be best positioned to succeed.

TBucket 10-20-2012 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
B
AMR has an RFP out for 255 large regional jets. Just a rumor, but I've heard AMR is not even considering TSA Holdings due to past American Connection issues with TSA

Nevermind that TSA can't staff the, what, 18 airplanes it currently has? 255 is LAUGHABLE for the size that even all of TSH is.

Fly782 10-20-2012 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1280090)
Bigger doesn't mean better(Mesa), but it seems higher quality, more expensive regionals, are given a larger share of regional feed by mainline partners.

AMR has an RFP out for 255 large regional jets. Just a rumor, but I've heard AMR is not even considering TSA Holdings due to past American Connection issues with TSA
Well I've heard opposite, so who is bigger?


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